[hibernate-dev] ValidationMode

Emmanuel Bernard emmanuel at hibernate.org
Mon Mar 4 08:53:34 EST 2013

I don't follow you. It seems to make sense to me to have ddl and

It says validate entities on CRUD events, apply database generation in
accordance to the constraints and raise an exception if BV is not
present in the CP.

On Mon 2013-03-04  7:36, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> My concern is not the additional option.
> My concern is the allowance of multiple selections.  The only combo
> that ever even conceivably makes sense is "ddl" and "callback"
> together.  But I am questioning how sensible it is really to have
> those 2 together.  IMHO not much sense at all.
> So IMO we ought to be deprecating the ability to have multiple
> selections here.
> On Mon 04 Mar 2013 07:21:26 AM CST, Emmanuel Bernard wrote:
> >Our impl allow multiple choices to be able to add ddl as an additional
> >behavior as it (was) not defined in the spec.
> >
> >And indeed, auto uses the degraded mode and callback forced BV to be
> >used and raise an exception if it is not present. I can see apps deciding
> >for one or the other.
> >
> >Emmanuel
> >
> >On Fri 2013-02-22 21:38, Hardy Ferentschik wrote:
> >>
> >>On 22 Jan 2013, at 9:17 PM, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Kind of.  What I mean is that the HEM integration code is allowing Set <ValidationMode>.  So our impl allows a value like "auto, ddl" or other combos.  I am not able to grok why we allow multiples.
> >>
> >>I think this is a Hibernate specific "feature" to support also ddl generation. The idea is to say something like "callback,ddl" to enable validation and application of DDL constraints.
> >>Emmanuel might know more. With JPA 2.1 and the DDL stuff part of the spec I would assume there are are other explicit options to enable/disable these features.
> >>
> >>>Also auto and callback are slightly different.  callback causes an error if no bv provider is available whereas auto then skips validation.
> >>
> >>Hmm, seems wrong indeed, but maybe that's the difference in the end. Looking at " Enabling Automatic Validation" of the spec for the auto mode it is not explicitly mentioned
> >>that an exception should be thrown whereas for callback it is. Whether this is international or just badly written I don't know. Maybe something to clarify in the spec.
> >>Don't we have someone in the JPA expert group ;-)
> >>
> >>--Hardy
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