[hibernate-dev] Hosting of binaries

[Sanne Grinovero]

On 13 August 2015 at 15:50, Brett Meyer <brmeyer at redhat.com> wrote:
> Sorry, late to this...
>
> My vote would be to get rid of SourceForge entirely.  I can't stand their ethics, services, or downtime...
>
> We use download.jboss.org for Artificer and haven't had any issues.  Fully supports SCP or SFTP -- I already have it scripted and would be more than happy to help put it together for Hibernate.  Plus, jboss.org/redhat.org now include Splunk for parsing the server logs -- getting download metrics is fairly straight-forward.

That sounds quite nice!

But Hibernate has been at Sourceforce for a very long time though
(ever?) and if we were to move platform / location each time something
unpleasant happens that wouldn't be good for users; take the Google
Code initiative for example.. not long ago it looked like everyone was
going to move there, but it's dead already.

But you're right: Sourceforge has crossed several lines - including
the ethical one - so I'd not be against moving away, but if we all
agree on moving I'd like to see how we can put some form of
"redirect", or just maintain a long term notice, or simply keep
uploading to both places for longer.

If we move, I'd pick a new place which is going to be for sure stable
in the long term; my preference would be to something under the DNS
control of hibernate.org .. that might be download.jboss.org under the
hoods, but I'd prefer to expose it in a way which is under control by
the Hibernate group for the very long term. I'll ask the jboss.org
team if that's an option.

Sanne

>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Ebersole" <steve at hibernate.org>
>> To: "Emmanuel Bernard" <emmanuel at hibernate.org>, "Gunnar Morling" <gunnar at hibernate.org>
>> Cc: "Hibernate Dev" <hibernate-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 2:37:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [hibernate-dev] Hosting of binaries
>>
>> FWIW the SourceForge upload UI seems to be restored.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:14 AM Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel at hibernate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > For info, SourceForge hopes to restore ssh access (the last service they
>> > will activate) August 3rd.
>> >
>> > http://sourceforge.net/blog/sourceforge-infrastructure-and-service-restoration-update-for-728/
>> >
>> > > On 28 Jul 2015, at 10:27, Gunnar Morling <gunnar at hibernate.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Your proposed order seems good. I'd exclude GitHub if it's not
>> > scriptable (UI only) as this will hinder releases from the CI server.
>> > >
>> > > 2015-07-28 9:39 GMT+02:00 Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel at hibernate.org
>> > <mailto:emmanuel at hibernate.org>>:
>> > > As some of you know Sourceforge has had a severe distributed file system
>> > corruption and they have been working on it for a full week. You can read
>> > their blog for regular updates http://sourceforge.net/blog/ <
>> > http://sourceforge.net/blog/>
>> > > The concrete issue for us is that we cannot upload new files: Hibernate
>> > Validator and Hibernate ORM are now pending a release.
>> > >
>> > > There are 4 options on the table
>> > >
>> > > Be patient::
>> > > SourceForge will eventually reopen upload, I imagine it might take form
>> > one to two weeks.
>> > > Their binary hosting support is relatively correct and all of our
>> > download statistics are there.
>> > >
>> > > Move to download.jboss.org <http://download.jboss.org/>::
>> > > JBoss has a facility to host binaries. WildFly amongst other uses it. We
>> > can ask them if they are happy with it.
>> > > It is not connected to the rest of the forum/CMS infra, it’s a simple
>> > file upload AFAIK so easily scriptable.
>> > > They also offer statistics but how needs to be investigated.
>> > >
>> > > Move to GitHub::
>> > > GitHub has a binary upload facility. I could only find a web based
>> > approach (can it be done programmatically?).
>> > > They don’t seem to have any statistics service, which is a big negative
>> > point.
>> > > Also I don’t trust GitHub anymore for their binary hosting. They had a
>> > version in the past that they scrapped with barely no notice. I’m not
>> > exactly willing to give them my trust again.
>> > >
>> > > Move to BinTray::
>> > > Binary hosting is their life and blood. People seem happy with them. It
>> > seems however that the statistics require a paying package instead of the
>> > free oss tier.
>> > >
>> > > I think we should try in the following order:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Be patient with Sourceforge (but for how long?)
>> > > 2. go for download.jboss.org <http://download.jboss.org/> and before
>> > that ask around for the process and stability of the infrastructure
>> > > 3. explore Bintray
>> > > 4. GitHub (did I say that I no longer trust their binary hosting
>> > support?)
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