[hibernate-dev] Hibernate ORM version for WildFly 10.1

[Gunnar Morling]

Hi Scott,

> As part of bringing ORM 5.1.1+ into WF 10.1 or 11, we need to first
> ensure that ORM 5.1.1 is completely *compatible* with ORM 5.0.x.

How does this ensuring look like? Is passing the WF test suite enough, or
are there further criteria? If identifying changes to the API is what you
are after, tools such as Japicmp (see https://github.com/siom79/japicmp)
may help.

It would be great to have some sort of formalized guideline here, because
otherwise there's potential for frustration on both sides. E.g. Sanne and
me are waiting for an update, as it will make our lives for HSEARCH/OGM
much easier, whereas you may feel pressurized to do some update you are not
100% comfortable about). Happy about any pointers if there are such rules
already somewhere.

That said, doing the 5.1 upgrade in WF 10.1 would seem as the sensible
thing to me, bringing new ORM features released quite a while ago to WF
community users and allowing to hone/harden them there as needed. So I
still haven't lost the hope that it might be happen :)

As a user, I'd be surprised otherwise and be wondering why I had to resort
to the ORM module ZIP (see
http://in.relation.to/2016/07/07/updating-hibernate-orm-in-wildfly/)
instead of WF coming with the newer version OOTB.

Thanks,

--Gunnar


2016-08-11 17:05 GMT+02:00 Scott Marlow <smarlow at redhat.com>:

>
>
> On 08/11/2016 10:45 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
> > On 11 August 2016 at 15:19, Scott Marlow <smarlow at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 08/11/2016 06:19 AM, Sanne Grinovero wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've been watching this:
> >>>  - https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984
> >>>
> >>> And that's the reason I've been asking for a 5.1 release, as it has
> >>> been blocked by issues for long.
> >>>
> >>> Indeed if this wasn't being tracked for 10.1 that's sad as we need
> >>> WildFly releases with up to date versions of ORM to make better
> >>> progress on OGM and Search, I'm sorry if this wasn't clear but the PR
> >>> has been open for a while, as was the agreement among us that we'd aim
> >>> to have ORM 5.1 in the next WildFly version.
> >>
> >>
> >> The WildFly master branch is now for WildFly 11.  Could Search/OGM align
> >> with WF11 instead of 10.1, as the
> >> https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984 is finally passing, which
> is a
> >> good sign that ORM 5.1.1.Final will likely pass the WildFly test suite,
> and
> >> then get merged.
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> > if you could make sure that WF 10.1 had ORM 5.1.1+ that would greatly
> > help to have Search and OGM actually align.
> >
> > Since that PR is working fine (and the patch looks quite simple too!)
> > may I assume we just need to put a release together in ORM, while you
> > hold the WF train ? :)
> >
>
> As part of bringing ORM 5.1.1+ into WF 10.1 or 11, we need to first
> ensure that ORM 5.1.1 is completely *compatible* with ORM 5.0.x.  Once
> we know that, we should be ready for the
> (https://github.com/wildfly/wildfly/pull/8984) merge.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Sanne
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I guess it wasn't clear "which" version is "next", but if we could fix
> >>> this for 10.1 that would be very nice, and match the decision of the
> >>> platform architects.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Sanne
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11 August 2016 at 10:18, Gail Badner <gbadner at redhat.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, OK. I was confusing WildFly 10.1 with 11. I'm not sure about the
> >>>> version for 10.1.
> >>>>
> >>>> Scott?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:56 AM, Martin Simka <msimka at redhat.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Gail,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> are you sure? I'm only aware of WFLY-6930 (Upgrade Hibernate to
> 5.0.10)
> >>>>> and I'm not sure if it makes it to 10.1. Then there is WFLY-6854
> >>>>> (Upgrade
> >>>>> Hibernate ORM to 5.1.x) which is targeted to WildFly 11.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6930
> >>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/WFLY-6854
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Gail Badner <gbadner at redhat.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Gunnar,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 10.1 will use ORM 5.1.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Gail
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:23 AM, Gunnar Morling <
> gunnar at hibernate.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Scott, all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Are there any plans to upgrade ORM in the WF 10.1 release?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I somehow assumed that 10.1 would come with ORM 5.1, but it's still
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> using
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 5.0.9. At least 5.0.10 would be nice if 5.1 cannot be done for some
> >>>>>>> reasons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --Gunnar
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