[hibernate-dev] [Search and more] What is new in a give release

[Sanne Grinovero]

On 26 September 2017 at 15:36, Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel at hibernate.org> wrote:
> All I wanted initially was to be able to get a description of what each
> series provided so that when I jump from my version to the latest, I can
> see what's going on. Then you guys wanted to expose the matrix of
> compatibilities as e.g. people do consume Search with a given version of
> ORM.
>
> With that being said, here is what I think are the series with value to
> users today:
>
> * Search: 5.8 (latest), 5.6 (ORM 5.0/5.1), maybe whatever the version in
>  WF is
> * Validator: 6.0 (latest), maybe whatever the version in WF is
> * OGM: 5.2 (dev), 5.1 (stable)
> * ORM: 5.2, 5.1, maybe the WF version if it's not 5.1
>
> As a user, I still need to be able to go to a given series page to
> understand what was done (see my initial use case). But they can be in a
> older series section in small vs big boxes.

+1 that's my preference

Nothing to change right now, but we'll need to evolve a bit when we'll
want to prune the series being shown in the main area right now.
It starts to get crowded and WF having 5.5 (rather old) I want people
to be able to find details about it yet not "push" the version.

Say we want to prune 5.7 - not being in your above list - people will
still want to be able to find it when upgrading from 5.6 -> 5.8

Thanks,
Sanne

>
> BTW tools has a Downloads link, not Releases.
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
> On Fri 17-09-22 17:03, Yoann Rodiere wrote:
>>
>> Ok, this will never end... It was good to merge less than 24h ago and now
>> you're arguing against the very point of this work: provide users with
>> more
>> information regarding each series, so that they know what's new. (see the
>> first email by Emmanuel)
>>
>> Please make concrete, exhaustive proposals. From what I understand, your
>> concerns could be addressed with only simple changes to the menu (hide
>> older series, add an "archived series" entry), but I don't know what to
>> think anymore.
>>
>>
>> Yoann Rodière
>> Hibernate NoORM Team
>> yoann at hibernate.org
>>
>> On 22 September 2017 at 16:49, Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After some chats and a night of sleep on this, I think we need to stop
>>> obsessing about guiding people into the choice among multiple minor
>>> versions: it's hard enough that they have to pick a project.
>>>
>>> We need to encourage people to use the latest versions and we need to
>>> send a clear, strong message about this, no middle ground fiddling
>>> with names and definitions
>>>
>>> We can give them a choice between using the latest stable vs the
>>> latest development, but beyond this we're giving too much choice.
>>>
>>> Yet I do believe we should make it "not-hard" for people looking for
>>> details of other recent versions; could we consider them all
>>> "archived" ? Some drop downs on key areas like the ones in ORM today
>>> would still be welcome to make it easy to find - but let's remove the
>>> version choice from the "primary navigation path".
>>>
>>> There are some exceptional cases coming to mind which would need some
>>> mitigation; for example the fact that OGM won't work with the latest
>>> Search and ORM releases!
>>> But there are better solutions than to pollute the website experience
>>> by making the matching versions too visible, for example bundle it
>>> with OGM, link to the right versions from the OGM pages, or have the
>>> modules eventually pull-in the required dependencies, etc...
>>> (technical details irrelevant in this context).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sanne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 September 2017 at 12:21, Guillaume Smet <guillaume.smet at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> *IF* you are willing to improve a minor point: I didn't expect the
>>> >> "Releases" menu to be expanded when not being in any of these
>>> >> sections.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Let's keep that one for another time.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Related: I wouldn't highlight both the current release and the
>>> >> "Releases" label, the shading looks odd and misaligned.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yoann fixed it.
>>> >
>>> > Could we push that version to production and iterate after if required?
>>> >
>>> > It's a tad better than what we have now and I don't see a reason to
>>> delay it
>>> > more.
>>> >
>>> > Emmanuel?
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Guillaume
>>> >
>>>
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