[hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

Sanne Grinovero sanne at hibernate.org
Mon Nov 12 12:40:41 EST 2018

On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 17:27, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org> wrote:
> I don't see why we should force people to have a GitHub account, considering there are other means of logging into Gitter.


> As to getting the right type of people, I'm not sure it's relevant. Most people are likely to have one, and those who don't are likely to not have one for political reasons (think free software extremists) rather than because they aren't tech savvy enough: while the "hibernate" naming might confuse users looking for information about grizzly bears, I doubt my grandmother, my 7-year-old nephew or even my non-software-engineer of a wife would end up on Gitter by mistake.

Well since that's obvious, clearly I was referring to a different way
of cathegorizing people joining@ not by age or expertise in technology
but in having reasonable expectations and willing to do some research
before bothering us all.

You probably weren't around yet, but Hibernate has had hard times in
which it was "victim of its own success": just too many
kinda-interested people making a ton of basic questions that could be
easily solved otherwise.

Some "barriers" we have in place have made it manageable; of course I
can't tell if it's all merit of the barriers of entry or just people
coming in lower volumes with better intentions, but I'm confident that
some of the barriers we have have helped to keep some sanity (e.g.
login on #hibernate-dev on IRC requiring an account).

Assuming the new chat platform takes off, there's a risk it might be
too successful as well.  But I guess we'll see, or let's use a very
bad chat platform so to keep people from coming :P

> Yoann Rodière
> Hibernate NoORM Team
> yoann at hibernate.org
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 18:02, Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 16:02, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > What is it a conscious decision to not require a GitHub account to join these rooms?  I just noticed that is a toggle-option in the room's settings also.
>> I don't remember. We created these rooms as an experiment in 2014..
>> Yoann created some more rooms recently.
>> Should we enforce people to have a Github account? I'd like that, I
>> think it would better nudge towards getting the right type of people
>> to join.
>> Thanks,
>> Sanne
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:17 AM Guillaume Smet <guillaume.smet at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If one wants a lot of features then clearly only Slack is the way to
>> >> > go. Not saying we should go with Slack, just that we'll need to be
>> >> > patient and we'll always be short of some features - if that's not
>> >> > acceptable then only Slack will make you happy.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> TBH, I don't care about fancy features. Gitter is OK for me but yeah not
>> >> having sound is really annoying.
>> >>
>> >> I might miss notifications from time to time.
>> >>
>> >> In any case, it will mostly be a problem for you all if you ping me :).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > BTW the issue you linked to suggests the native clients don't have
>> >> > this specific problem.. might want to try that?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I prefer to have it in the browser where I do most of my interactions with
>> >> people.
>> >>
>> >> And AFAIK, Yoann wrote they were only packaged as deb (and not very excited
>> >> about compiling it).
>> >>
>> >> BTW, tbh, I'm a bit worried GitLab has only one dev on it if they want to
>> >> become a player in this area. They certainly have some work to do to catch
>> >> up with others.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Guillaume
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