[hibernate-dev] [ORM] Reducing startup log verbosity

[Steve Ebersole]

Sounds good to me! :)

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 8:19 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 14:00, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:
> >
> > Guillaume - I added a general start-a-discussion comment to the PR.
> Hopefully anyone with an opinion on that can chime in there.  Beyond that,
> +1
> >
> >
> > Sanne - ok, I see.  You are not expecting users to have to deal with
> wrapping/scrolling because you limit the presented information to an
> arbitrary set of values.  That's certainly an option.  My only caution
> there is that this is an arbitrary list of values-of-interest.
> >
> > We all agree version is important.  It is beyond that that we start to
> have different preferences.  I think everything beyond that is DEBUG-level
> info.  For any additional values, I worry about the arbitrary nature of
> what we present and don't in this message.  I mean to me, the same argument
> that leads to "caching enabled/disabled" being important enough to list
> also dictates that CDI integration is important enough too.  Same for
> BytecodeProvider, ConnectionProvider, ...  Its this question of where we
> draw the line that concerns me.  And if we are drawing an arbitrary line,
> why are we drawing that line at all?
>
> Yeah it's arbitrary. When I proposed it I thought with some luck we
> might have a quick consensus; if not let's just stick to the version.
>
> > I'll eagerly await your discussion about enabling caching by default ;)
>
> Let's face that in front of some great food in Rome :)
>