[hibernate-dev] Remove or disable the WildFly feature packs of Hibernate ORM?

[Yoann Rodiere]

> Any specific reason you say that Yoann?

No, I was just thinking that moving to Jarakarta JPA and Jakarta CDI had a
high chance of breaking OSGi tests, unless the Jakarta artifacts properly
support OSGi.

But it was just a hunch; if it works, I don't have anything against keeping
it.


Yoann Rodière
Hibernate Team
yoann at hibernate.org


On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 16:12, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:

> I do not plan on dropping hibernate-osgi.  Its there; it works.  Any
> specific reason you say that Yoann?
>
> Brett is the only one to do anything with that "tutorial".  Though as time
> went on its focus was more a way to find problems when the paxexam tests
> failed - they almost always give useless feedback.  If you think people are
> using it as a tutorial then I agree we should remove it or update it.
> Depending whether it still has benefit for troubleshooting I'd actually
> just clarify its intent somehow rather removing it.  Brett?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:42 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed, I'll remove it.  Thanks Steve and Yoann!
> >
> > I'll remove them from 5.5 soon, you can then merge the removal in 6.0
> > or do it differently if that's easier.
> >
> > This is the JIRA:
> >  - https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-13952
> >
> > Regarding OSGi (which Yoann raised): I agree we shouldn't spend
> > significant amounts of time on it, but as long as tests still work and
> > it doesn't get in the way I'll leave them be.
> > I have a related JIRA for OSGi as well: the tutorial is using very old
> > (unmaintained?) dependency versions, so it will either need to be
> > removed (people can always read the older tutorial), or it should be
> > updated (and tested).
> > I might give it a shot to update it, but I'm afraid it will need a
> > full set of Jakarta EE 9 dependencies available as well.
> >  - https://hibernate.atlassian.net/browse/HHH-13951
> >
> > Yoann, great idea about the platform agnostic testrunner. We should
> > keep that in mind, hopefully we'll be able to make it happen
> > eventually.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sanne
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 13:46, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Considering the changes in WildFly, I also think we should just drop
> > hibernate-orm-modules.
> > >
> > > For 6.0 I will definitely do this.  I also think removing it is good
> for
> > 5.5.
> > >
> > > Not sure it is even worth the hassle for earlier releases however.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 5:03 PM Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> As we're working to upgrade to Jakarta EE 9, our feature packs for
> > >> Wildfly are not going to be functional for a while at least.
> > >>
> > >> Not only do we have to upgrade to JPA 3, but we also need to upgrade
> > >> our integrations with a different Validator, a different CDI - none of
> > >> these are provided by WildFly yet.
> > >>
> > >> I see several options:
> > >>  A] I could disable the feature pack generation and its integration
> > tests.
> > >>  B] Keep generating and releasing a knowingly broken feature pack,
> > >> disable its integration tests, document this is work in progress.
> > >>  C] Delete all this stuff
> > >>
> > >> Frankly it's tempting to just delete it all: WildFly has switched to a
> > >> new model which replaces the "feature pack" notion we have, so even if
> > >> Wildfly were to provide an Jakarta EE 9 build for us to run
> > >> integration tests sometimes soon I'm sadly quite certain that we'll
> > >> have to rethink how these packs are generated, and if it's still worth
> > >> for us doing this.
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Sanne
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