[jboss-as7-dev] manual way to do logging?

Bill Burke bburke at redhat.com
Thu Jun 7 17:55:36 EDT 2012



On 6/7/12 5:06 PM, Jason T. Greene wrote:
> On 6/7/12 4:00 PM, Bill Burke wrote:
>> On 6/7/12 4:39 PM, David M. Lloyd wrote:
>>>> Yup, pretty much a behemoth.
>>>
>>> I don't see it, man. The tooling is lightweight and the result has
>>> proven to be fast at runtime *and* very nice to use and convenient at
>>> development time. We evaluated *all* the requirements - not just the
>>> ones you just thought of now - and came up with a solution that works
>>> well for everyone (except for you). You need to let it go.
>>>
>>
>> The fact that you can't accommodate such a simple request (and that it
>> doesn't exist already) proves what a behemoth it is. And I didn't
>> think of requirements *just now*. If I had known 2 years ago I would be
>> required to use such a behemoth, I would have been just as much of an
>> asshole then as I'm being right now. I know if Tim was still around
>> he'd shit all over this as well.
>> And finally, I'll let it go...write to the very bottom of my work-queue.
>>
>
> No it's amazing you can't answer a simple question. You're just running
> around with a hammer expecting everything to be a nail.
>

What simple question?  Thought I did multiple times?

To answer Andy's questions: Resteasy has just as many non-JBoss AS users 
as JBoss AS users (to answer Andy's question), but,  I don't see what 
making money has to do with whether or not I use JBoss Logging or how I 
would prefer to consume it.

Logging is one of the few fundamental external dependencies I have in my 
project that I want to isolate within a simple level of indirection with 
simple project specific interfaces.  Add to that the number of things I 
have to do just to log something with JBoss Logging (X interfaces, Y 
annotated methods, generated code, extra maven plugin, hard external 
dependency).

You can argue all you want that my complaints are meaningless, but I 
completely disagree. You can say that I'm running around with a hammer 
expecting everything to be a nail, but from my perspective, you're 
telling me I need a limo driver to drive me down to my mailbox just to 
pick up my mail.

David was right, I should have let this go from the beginning when I 
learned there was no manual API and just dropped this jira indefinitely 
to the bottom of my queue and avoided aggravating by myself and you guys.

P.S. I hope we can have a few beers at JUDCon/JBossWorld and *NOT* talk 
about this.

-- 
Bill Burke
JBoss, a division of Red Hat
http://bill.burkecentral.com


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