[jboss-user] [JBoss jBPM] - Re: wiki>>JbpmBuildingTheSources: update for svn?

[kukeltje]

anonymous wrote : I wonder why it is so difficult to get a simple, direct and clear answer...the replys are always "in svn", "in cvs", "already answered". Maybe i'm completely insane, but could it be that if so many people ask for it maybe it isn't so easy or so clear. Can't you think that maybe the problem is the information and the instructions and not the people?
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  | If someone asks me where the sourcecode is, the answer (now) is The source code is in SVN. Because it is.
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  | If I say: "I already answered it", is because I already did (multiple times)
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  | The wiki currently is in a state of flux so to some extend it is the information and not the people, but on http://jbpm.dyndns.org/jbpmwiki there IS a description on how to build from the sources with eclipse and maven. The way it currently is, was new to me as well, but I got it up and running in 15 minutes, so lets get that out of the way first. 
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  | anonymous wrote : maybe it's not enough for many people that needs more complete information. 
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  | Depends on the target audiance. NASA will never provide you with the docs on how to build a rocket, not to the level that you could use build one. Simply because the docs they *do* have are not targeted at you and writing docs so you could give it a try costs to many hours and will still result in to many questions to be answerd.  So.... The same is true here. You need the source if you want to change something, If you don't, use the jars. If you want to change something CONSTRUCTIVELY (contributing back) you will find  enough info in the current docs
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  | The reason I might sound offensive is that these questions are so basic (and distributed over many topics) That a reference to the wiki (the correct one for this, which again unfortunately is down at the moment get's lost quickly. 
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  | anonymous wrote : On the other hand, it's not necessary to be so...offensive?nobody knows everything. It's possible, maybe, that i'm quite expert on java ee, struts, jsf, hibernate, ibatis, and much more and don't know anything about ant or maven. It's possible, isn't it?No most likely not, and even then, if it was, you would have the capability of lean maven/ant quickly
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  | anonymous wrote : What if I don't know anything about development or programming?i don't have the right to test it and learn?
  | You do, but that is why the jBPM suite is provided. A preconfigured JBoss AS with database, jBPM etc... Runs out of the box.
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  | anonymous wrote : I think that a forum is a very useful tool for a community.A place to express, to share, to learn, to teach, to grow. Some people in this forum could be a little kinder. It is, but a jBPM forum is not the place on where you should learn maven and ant. 
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  | anonymous wrote : , for dummies (like me)I'm not saying you are a dummy, the jBPM SOURCE is just not targeted at dummies. It is for well experienced developers.
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  | anonymous wrote : Sorry for writting so much.No problem, but I hope you fully understand my response and why I respond in the way I respond. The (small) error I made is that I posted a link to the sources and not the wikipage on building the sources

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