Which version should I support? (Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter)
John Graham
jgraham at redhat.com
Mon Dec 8 10:07:21 EST 2008
So, 1.0.1 is the current release, and 2.0.0M3 is a milestone (for
Galileo, probably)?
If so, then we need to support 1.0.1 in JBT 3.0 and look at supporting
both in a later release where 2.0.0M3 is released too.
Are either of the formats used by 2.0.0M3 and 1.0.1 more
"standard"/correct in the BPMN world?
-- John
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 15:56 +0800, grid.qian wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> This mail is a summary of the mail thread about STP modeler.
> Based eclipse Ganymede-SR1, we can install STP modeler by update site.
> The STP modeler now has two version: 1.0.1 for Ganymede SR1 and 2.0.0M3
> from committer build. (http://download.eclipse.org/stp/downloads/)
> There are some differences between 1.0.1 and 2.0.0M3. One of these
> differences bring about the issue JBIDE3364.
>
> The difference is about sequence edges in a sample *.bpmn file:
> In 1.0.1 version
> <sequenceEdges xmi:type="bpmn:SequenceEdge"
> xmi:id="_UAo2UcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg" iD="_UAo2UMTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg"
> source="_R362UcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg" target="_Tny4gcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg"/>
> In 2.0.0M3 version
> <sequenceEdges xmi:type="bpmn:SequenceEdge"
> xmi:id="_UAo2UcTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg" iD="_UAo2UMTuEd2TWonbw8O5Jg"/>
>
> In 2.0.0M3 version, the sequenceEdges node has not source and target
> attributes. So the issue JBIDE3364 occurs.
>
> So I want to know if we should support 2.0.0M3 in jboss tools 3.0? or
> support 2.0.0M3 in jboss tools later vertion?
>
>
> Grid
>
>
> > Grid,
> >
> > Not sure what you mean when you say based on Ganymeade. All of the
> > testing I have been doing is based on Ganymede:
> >
> > eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-linux-gtk.
> >
> > Which different version of STP are you using?
> >
>
> Aha, yes. I download the Ganymede-sr1 again. It does not include STP
> modeler. Maybe my ganymede is not clear
> base. So I test again on Ganymede-sr1 and update to 1.0(Ganymede) and to
> 1.0.1(Ganymede SR1). The JBIDE-3364 does not
> occur. Only when update to stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3. The JBIDE-3364
> occurs.
>
> For this, should I support stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3? (it is a committer
> build)
>
>
> <http://download.eclipse.org/stp/updates/releases/1.0.1.200809261307/site.xml>
>
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "grid.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> > To: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>
> > Cc: jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
> > Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:24:16 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> > Subject: Re: Which version should I support? (Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re:
> > How to use JBPm Converter)
> >
> >
> >
> >>> http://download.eclipse.org/stp/downloads/
> >>>
> >
> > From this link page, the Ganymede is stable.
> > stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip is committer build.
> >
> >
> >> O, my god!
> >> Jeff, you are right. Based on your stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip, I
> >> get the issue.
> >> But based on Ganymede, this issue does not occur.
> >> The stp modeler is too distable!
> >>
> >> Which version should I support? or both?
> >> Any suggestion are appreciated.
> >>
> >> Grid
> >>
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "grid.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>> To: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>
> >>> Cc: jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org, "John Graham" <jgraham at redhat.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:45:06 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
> >>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Grid,
> >>>>
> >>>> As I stated below, I am using the SOA Tools BPMN Editor.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Now I have installed:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-linux-gtk
> >>>>>>> JBossTools-3.0.0.CR1-N200812050815-ALL-linux-gtk
> >>>>>>> and the SOA Tools BPMN Modeler from stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> It is true that my models were generated from PI4SOA CDL models.
> >>>> However I created a very simple model directly in SOA Tools BPMN
> >>>> Modeler and I experience the same issue when trying to convert it
> >>>> to JPDL (attached those files). Also, not sure what you mean by
> >>>> "sequenceflow". I don't see sequenceflow in any .bpmn or
> >>>> .bpmn_diagram.
> >>>>
> >>> O, "sequenceflow" is a name from bpmn specification. In *.bpmn, it
> >>> 's name is "sequenceEdges". In stp bpmn editor, it's name is Flow
> >>> Connector.
> >>> I am running stp bpmn editor by debugging stp bpmn editor sources.
> >>> So maybe some differences?
> >>> Where do you get the stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip? Please give me a
> >>> link.Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "grid.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>>> To: "John Graham" <jgraham at redhat.com>
> >>>> Cc: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>,
> >>>> jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 8:14:43 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
> >>>> Mountain
> >>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Jeff,
> >>>> I have known the reason of the issue JBIDE-3364.
> >>>> I think your bpmn files are not from STP BPMN EDITOR?
> >>>> STP bpmn editor bpmn file: *.bpmn, it's sequenceflow has a attribute:
> >>>> source. The source is the sequenceflow's source node. But your bpmn
> >>>> files has not this attribute. So this issue occurs.
> >>>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>> We need to support these files from other editor?
> >>>> If yes, I need to do some works for it.
> >>>> If not, I have a workaround:
> >>>> Open the bpmn file using stp bpmn editor, do some changes
> >>>> (not real changes, only aim to call stp editor's save method)
> >>>> Then save the file. At this time, the stp editor add the source
> >>>> attribute
> >>>> to the sequenceflow automatically, you may use the bpmn export
> >>>> correctly
> >>>>
> >>>> Grid
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> I tried again with another BPMN model that had multiple pools.
> >>>>>> When I
> >>>>>> uncheck a pool in the wizard, it throws an NPE. Should this be
> >>>>>> described in another JIRA issue
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, please.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- John
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 14:22 -0500, Jeffrey Delong wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Jon,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I attached the files. Grid did not report the file worked
> >>>>>> correctly for him, he just reported that the zip file from the
> >>>>>> download site that I sent him installed correctly in his
> >>>>>> environment.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I tried again with another BPMN model that had multiple pools.
> >>>>>> When I uncheck a pool in the wizard, it throws an NPE. Should
> >>>>>> this be described in another JIRA issue?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "John Graham" <jgraham at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> Cc: jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org, "feng.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 12:09:45 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
> >>>>>> Mountain
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jeff,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I've created:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-3364
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> to track this. Can you please attach the BPMN file in question to
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> JIRA, so Grid can look into it (not sure if this is the same file as
> >>>>>> originally discussed on this thread, since Grid reported that file
> >>>>>> worked correctly for him.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Grid: Please take a look into this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -- John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:26 -0500, Jeffrey Delong wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now I have installed:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-linux-gtk
> >>>>>>> JBossTools-3.0.0.CR1-N200812050815-ALL-linux-gtk
> >>>>>>> and the SOA Tools BPMN Modeler from stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The BPMN Converter is installed, and I see it when I use Export
> >>>>>>> from the Context Menu. However when I get to the step in the
> >>>>>>> wizard that has me select the pool, I select the only pool in my
> >>>>>>> BPMN diagram (I had hand removed the other pools prior to start
> >>>>>>> with a simple example), and it hangs when I select next, and I
> >>>>>>> have to cancel. My BPMN model was generated from the pi4soa CDL
> >>>>>>> tool.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "John Graham" <jgraham at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>> Cc: jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org, "feng.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 10:20:54 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
> >>>>>>> Mountain
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeff,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suspect that Grid created this zip from his own environment,
> >>>>>>> since I'm
> >>>>>>> not aware of any regularly produced zips in this area.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The requirement you mention about using SOA-P tooling only from
> >>>>>>> JBT has
> >>>>>>> been the subject of debate before, with one serious limiting factor
> >>>>>>> being the JBT build. As Nick B moves the JBT to a modular
> >>>>>>> system, then I
> >>>>>>> think these sorts of subsets become possible. Ultimately, it
> >>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>> Max's call.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -- John
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 12:15 -0500, Jeffrey Delong wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jon,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A lot of times we don't want the entire JBoss Tools, but just
> >>>>>>>> the plugins that we intend to use. In particular doing soa
> >>>>>>>> development work I have no interest in or use for seam, rich
> >>>>>>>> faces, jbossas tooling. So until there is a version of JBoss
> >>>>>>>> Tools targeted at the SOA developer, I would prefer to add the
> >>>>>>>> plugins I require. Grid mentioned a common zip, but the one he
> >>>>>>>> passed me was old. I don't see a tools common zip on the
> >>>>>>>> download page. How would I find this?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "John Graham" <jgraham at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>> To: "feng.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>,
> >>>>>>>> jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 8:59:26 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada
> >>>>>>>> Mountain
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On the surface (just scanning the thread below):
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jeff: Having the plug-in and feature in the right directories
> >>>>>>>> is the
> >>>>>>>> first step, but that does not necessarily mean that the Eclipse
> >>>>>>>> platform
> >>>>>>>> will load them (dependencies could be missing). If you don't see a
> >>>>>>>> "BPMN" category under Export, then it is likely due to missing
> >>>>>>>> dependencies. I would suggest the latest Eclipse Gaynmede J2EE
> >>>>>>>> package
> >>>>>>>> and latest JBT CR1 build to ensure everything is in place.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -- John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 13:27 +0800, feng.qian wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jeffrey,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have tested your zip file. No problems.
> >>>>>>>>> Please go to the eclipse menu Help->About Eclipse
> >>>>>>>>> Platform->Plug-in Details and see
> >>>>>>>>> if the plugin is correctly installed.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Grid
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Grid,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Downloaded from:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have verified that both the feature and the plugin are in
> >>>>>>>>>> the appropriate directory:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have attached the zip file.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "feng.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 9:39:16 PM GMT -07:00
> >>>>>>>>>> US/Canada Mountain
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey Delong wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Grid,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is not working for me. I do not see the BPMN Folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I unzipped jBPM-Convert-1.0.0.Beta1-R200810311334.zip into
> >>>>>>>>>>> eclipse folder.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> FYI I have installed:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> pi4soa2.0.0.CR4-eclipse3.4-linux.tar.gz
> >>>>>>>>>>> jbpm 3.1.5 via the local update site
> >>>>>>>>>>> (jbpm-jpdl-designer-site-3.1.5.zip)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> jBPM-Convert-1.0.0.Beta1-R200810311334.zip?
> >>>>>>>>>> Where do you get it? I have never seen this zip. But I think
> >>>>>>>>>> it maybe:
> >>>>>>>>>> The zip should include a feature named
> >>>>>>>>>> org.jboss.tools.jbpm.convert.feature and a plugin named
> >>>>>>>>>> org.jboss.tools.jbpm.convert.
> >>>>>>>>>> You should put the plugin into eclipse/plugins and the
> >>>>>>>>>> feature into eclipse/features.
> >>>>>>>>>> If not working, please send the zip to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> eclipse stp bpmn modeler from local update site
> >>>>>>>>>>> (stp.archivedsite-2.0.0.M3.zip)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is my "process designer" workbench :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "feng.qian" <fqian at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "Jeffrey Delong" <jdelong at redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:54:33 PM GMT -07:00
> >>>>>>>>>>> US/Canada Mountain
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: How to use JBPm Converter
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeffrey,
> >>>>>>>>>>> This is my carelessness. I forgot to tell you the changes
> >>>>>>>>>>> about jbpm convert. As John's suggestion, I removed the
> >>>>>>>>>>> popup menu of jbpm convert and added a export wizard.
> >>>>>>>>>>> You may:
> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Choose a *.bpmn file ,and right click on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The popup menu is opened.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. You click on Export... action.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 4. A wizard for export open.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 5. In this wizard, there is a folder named BPMN Export,
> >>>>>>>>>>> click it to expand it and click BPMN -> JPDL menu.
> >>>>>>>>>>> 6. A wizard for jbpm converter open.
> >>>>>>>>>>> This wizard looks like that before. I think you are able to
> >>>>>>>>>>> use it.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Any questions, please let me know.
> >>>>>>>>>>> (Before you use jbpm convert, you must have two file in a
> >>>>>>>>>>> folder: *.bpmn and *.bpmn_diagram)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>>>>> Grid
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Grid,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I installed the JBPM Converter into my Eclipse 3.4
> >>>>>>>>>>>> installation (Linux). Next time I started it Eclipse it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> came up shrunken in the top left corner of my display.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a BPMN diagram (that I generated from a PI4SOA cdm
> >>>>>>>>>>>> file) and want to try to convert it to jBPM. Not sure what
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is the right way to do that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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