[jboss-dev] Re: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

> Before, when we discussed the JMX option, and the potential for a REST 
> API, I was working under the assumption that tools only needed a basic 
> set of operations. 
Yes, basic:

List deployed apps/modules/resources
Stop/start apps/modules/resources
Deploy/hotdeploy apps/modules/resources

> Once this thread started talking about JSR-77 management functions, 
> this to me says the profile service is the way forward.
Because we don't know of any other API we can use to get information.
> As to the tomcat API, I don't see how it provides anything close to 
> JSR-77.
The tomcat API provides the 3 things from above afaics.

/max
>
>> Neither JSR-77 or JSR-88 are going to be part of EE in the future.
>>
>> The profileservice certainly is available remotely, but I thought we 
>> were focusing on the hotdeployment jmx based api as discussed in:
>> https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBAS-6330
I have asked *many* times now and *noone* have been able to show me 
Profileservice being available remotely without a very *tight* dependency
on the exact version of AS plus noone have been able to tell us the 
dependencies we need (except a very fuzzy maven dependency set which 
were *big*
and unique per version).

If the tools have to be updated every time there is a minor release then 
this is a very fragile system to depend on.
>> If we want this mapped into a resty type api ala the tomcat then that 
>> needs to be defined.
If there is some other API we can use great, but a resty type API sounds 
to me like the best and only option that would not be fragile.

/max
>>
>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>> Anyone out there listening ?
>>>
>>> Should we just drop this idea of having good remote control over AS 
>>> from tooling ?
>>>
>>> /max
>>>
>>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>>>>> Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
>>>>>> JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they 
>>>>>> be fixed ? 
>>>>>
>>>>> JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will 
>>>>> likely get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled 
>>>>> for removal in EE7. 
>>>> So we should not even consider using it for remote access ?
>>>>>> What are the alternatives, if any ? 
>>>>>
>>>>> If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like 
>>>>> the Profile Service is going to be what you need. 
>>>> Sure, but profile service is not available to us remotely.
>>>>
>>>> Btw. I don't consider any of the things we want to do very advanced 
>>>> - we don't want to be another JON.
>>>>
>>>> Something basic and simple as i.e. Tomcat Management API would be 
>>>> enough for us afaics.
>>>>
>>>> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/manager-howto.html
>>>>
>>>> It provides a simple http api to list, start/stop/undeploy 
>>>> applications/resources (both local and remote resources)
>>>>
>>>> btw. this is not just for *us* this is for the greater good of AS :)
>>>>
>>>> /max 
>>
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