[jbosstools-dev] Current WTP-style project offerings

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

Rob Stryker wrote:
> Ok I've got something working for the BPEL with only minimal changes. 
> It took some finessing but that's it. I still need to know our 
> backwards compatibility requirements with previous versions (if there 
> were any), with the eclipse bpel project, which folders the source 
> belong in, where we expect the .class files to go inside the resultant 
> jar, etc etc etc.
>
1) IMO we have no backwards compability requirements here since we 
should be moving these jboss specific facet/deployment behavior to a 
separate plugin/set of id's. i.e. if you use the org.eclipse plugins you 
just keep doing that and it will still work, correct ? Furthermore we 
moved to use utility jar so that is what will deploy for the old ones, 
not ours...afaik (please verify that ;)

2) There are currently zero class files in BPEL project and it does not 
even need to be a java project (of course we should not prevent that 
from being possible)

btw. is there a way to enable BPEL deployment to happen from an existing 
project ? i.e. say this java project got these 2 folders that we would 
like to bundle as  a BPEL artifact ?

Another requirement I remember SOA guys put in the PRD for JBDS was the 
ability to include other folders of wsdl from other projects/locations. 
Is that possible now ?

-max
> Brian Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> Again, if it helps...
>> The New BPEL Project wizard code is located in the 
>> org.eclipse.bpel.runtimes plug-in as 
>> org.eclipse.bpel.runtimes.ui.wizards.NewBPELProjectWizard
>>
>> The facets and deployment modules also appear to be in that plug-in.
>> --Fitz
>> _______________________________
>> Brian Fitzpatrick (aka "Fitz")
>> Senior Software Engineer, SOA-P
>> JBoss by Red Hat
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen at redhat.com>
>> To: "Rob Stryker" <rob.stryker at redhat.com>
>> Cc: "Brian Fitzpatrick" <bfitzpat at redhat.com>, 
>> jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
>> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:42:08 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Current WTP-style project offerings
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Stryker wrote:
>>> I've never made a project wizard that used the faceted framework. 
>>> Denny has. For Denny to make one for BPEL would be simply using the 
>>> exact same extension points he used in ESB, except in BPEL, with 
>>> small changes for things like ids, classes, etc.
>>>
>>> I consider this "duplication". 
>> No, it's two different features - doesn't duplicate (bad), just do 
>> similar things in similar ways (good) ;)
>>> Also I don't know anything at all about the BPEL project structures, 
>>> where the current wizard is, how the current wizard works, what the 
>>> important backwards compatability issues / pressure points might be, 
>>> etc etc etc.
>>>
>>> I'm sure if I just dug through code for 2 or 3 days I could get 
>>> something workable 
>> We need this done before M4 - what things do you have on your plate 
>> for M4 that won't be done if you look into this ?
>>
>> /max
>>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>>> Rob Stryker wrote:
>>>>> Ahh... well... This wasn't stuff that I did; it's stuff Denny did. 
>>>>> I imagine this would be pretty in-depth to get the project set up, 
>>>>> not something trivial, so I'm not even 100% sure where to look 
>>>>> yet. Primarily it would be duplicating something similar to the 
>>>>> two esb plugins with project in the name:  
>>>>> org.jboss.tools.esb.project.core  and  
>>>>> org.jboss.tools.esb.project.ui. 
>>>> btw. No sure what you mean with duplication here ?
>>>>
>>>> /max
>>>>> Max:  Should I direct myself to this task immediately or should I 
>>>>> try to help Brian work through it? I'm not familiar with all the 
>>>>> extension points but I'm sure I could figure it out if you wanted 
>>>>> me to ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>>>> Denny's on vacation for a while. Won't be back until after their 
>>>>>> holiday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That leaves yours truly to help, though I'm just as blind in this 
>>>>>> code as you are.
>>>>>> Can you point me at the work you did for ESB and point me in a 
>>>>>> direction to do something similar in the BPEL area?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Fitz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________
>>>>>> Brian Fitzpatrick (aka "Fitz")
>>>>>> Senior Software Engineer, SOA-P
>>>>>> JBoss by Red Hat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Rob Stryker" <rob.stryker at redhat.com>
>>>>>> To: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen at redhat.com>
>>>>>> Cc: jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:33:58 PM GMT -07:00 
>>>>>> US/Canada Mountain
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [jbosstools-dev] Current WTP-style project offerings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denny:
>>>>>>   I didn't see any response to Max's two questions from you. Are 
>>>>>> you available to do these tasks??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's a good summary of what's made already for the WTP 
>>>>>>>> projects. I
>>>>>>>> believe the ESB project already makes use of it. 
>>>>>>> Denny, Is the ESB module using this now ?
>>>>>>>> The BPEL project does
>>>>>>>> *not* and since I am not familiar with the BPEL project code, 
>>>>>>>> or all
>>>>>>>> that goes into creating a new project wizard for WTP projects 
>>>>>>>> (never did
>>>>>>>> work on that part), I'd need someone else (Denny?) to set up 
>>>>>>>> the UI and
>>>>>>>> associated pages and installation delegates to properly change 
>>>>>>>> the BPEL
>>>>>>>> project's format. I can assist on which references would be 
>>>>>>>> needed in
>>>>>>>> the installation delegate, but I'm not familiar with the rest 
>>>>>>>> of it. 
>>>>>>> This require we defines what facet's etc. is installed and what 
>>>>>>> they do for BPEL.
>>>>>>> Denny - could you outline this in the wiki ? 
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