[jbosstools-dev] Fwd: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
Nick Boldt
nboldt at redhat.com
Wed Feb 28 09:12:30 EST 2018
FYI.
This is an opportunity for Red Hat to step up and lead the development of
tooling for Java EE 8 / Jakarta EE 8. [1]
[1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/from-javaee-to-jakartaee
Is this something we should consider for Devstudio 12 / Che ?
Nick
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From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of
Java EE 8
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
Hi,
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure, if it'll cover all of Java EE 8 but there is a WebTools release
> scheduled for the annual Photon Release Train:
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools
>
There basically always is, but there's not really a plan published (see
same project site). I got the idea a lot of the focus at Red Hat these days
is to support the AngularJS tooling that Red Hat is working on, but I'm not
100% sure.
Nick from Red Hat (https://github.com/nickboldt) is the biggest committer
at the moment for WTP: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools/who
This gives some overview of the activity per repo:
https://github.com/eclipse?utf8=✓&q=webtools
Specifically for Java EE the following are interesting I think:
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.javaee/commits/master
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.servertools/commits/master
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.jsf/commits/master
Quickly glancing through the commits I don't think even JSF 2.2 (Java EE 7)
support has yet be worked on, and certainly not JSF 2.3.
I've bcc'ed the PMC and committers Nick and John.
@Elson, could you perhaps shed some light on the EE 7/EE 8 support plans
for WTP?
Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms
>
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:41 PM, <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>
> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> (Mike Milinkovich)
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:41:27 -0500
>> From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich at eclipse-foundation.org>
>> To: ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> state of Java EE 8
>> Message-ID:
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>> On 2018-02-27 12:21 PM, Alexander Salvanos wrote:
>> > Hi Werner, Hi Ryan,
>> > the effort in the design and the implementation of the Java EE 8
>> > technologies need an easy way to be brought to the users.
>> > Often it is the IDE, that helps newcomers to draw up a new application
>> > by using comfortable tools.
>> > On the job I am using Maven just like you, but I have also dived into
>> > the Eclipse Functionality for Java EE quite deep,
>> > using and explaining each wizard in detail and I must repeat my
>> > indication, that some significant locations are outdated
>> > and the users will repetitively get to deprecated outcomes. The
>> > changes that have to be done might be in feasable extent.
>> > But it would be good to know, if the WTP-team working on this project
>> > has a road map, that could be published officially.
>> > @Mike: Do you know, if the WTP-team has a release date for a Java EE 8
>> > compliant WTP-Plugin?
>>
>> No, I am sorry but I do not. That question should be directed to the
>> wtp-dev or wtp-pmc lists.
>>
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > Alexander Salvanos
>> > Goebenstr.5
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>> > *Gesendet:*?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 17:41 Uhr
>> > *Von:*?"Werner Keil" <werner.keil at gmail.com>
>> > *An:*?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
>> > *Betreff:*?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > state of Java EE 8
>> > Rudy,
>> > Auto-complete and similar features also work if all dependencies can
>> > be resolved with Maven/M2E/M2WTP, but WTP itself will have to support
>> > either Java EE 8 soon or decide to skip it and immediately go
>> > EE4J/JakartaEE.
>> > The "WYSIWYG" editors for HTML, JSP, JSF and other aspects of Java EE
>> > (some extensions like JBoss Tools also add extra CDI/Weld support)
>> > have to work with new features of Java EE 8 or the next version.
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>> wrote:
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>> > ? ?1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of? Java EE 8
>> > ? ? ? (Werner Keil)
>> > ? ?2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > ? ? ? (Rudy De Busscher)
>> >
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:49:33 +0100
>> > From: Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:werner.keil at gmail.com>>
>> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > ? ? ? ? state of? ? ? ? Java EE 8
>> > Message-ID:
>> > ? ? ? ?
>> > <CAAGawe3eWjNU70sRDC2z_+Q=bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ at mail.gmail.com
>> > <mailto:bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ at mail.gmail.com>>
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>> >
>> > Alex,
>> >
>> > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
>> > only the
>> > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
>> > "Jakarta EE".
>> > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to
>> > the EE4J
>> > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
>> > EE.next WG.
>> >
>> > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should
>> > not be a
>> > problem in most IDEs.
>> > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
>> > most cases)
>> > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
>> hardly
>> > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
>> > features each
>> > of the containers already supports.
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
>> > <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>> wrote:
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>> > > Today's Topics:
>> > >
>> > >? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
>> > >? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
>> > >? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
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>> > >
>> > > Message: 1
>> > > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
>> > > From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com>>
>> > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> > > Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com>>
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>> > >
>> > > Hi Alexander,
>> > >? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> > for Java EE.
>> > > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is
>> > absolutely
>> > > abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I
>> > would raise
>> > > this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend
>> > checking out
>> > > either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE
>> > training classes
>> > > at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish
>> > > (integrated).
>> > >
>> > >? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
>> > be going
>> > > pretty well.
>> > >
>> > >? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>> > >
>> > > -Ryan
>> > >
>> > > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>> > <salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Dear Colleagues,
>> > > >
>> > > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> > Oxygen) is
>> > > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> > > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> > > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> > > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>> > package" way is
>> > > offered.
>> > > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>> > been offered
>> > > in older versions.
>> > > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> > not only
>> > > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> > > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> > widely used
>> > > IDE for Java EE.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best Regards,
>> > > > Alex
>> > > >
>> > > > Alexander Salvanos
>> > > > Goebenstr.5
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> >
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>> > D-53113 Bonn
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>> >
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>> > > Message: 2
>> > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
>> > > From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos at gmx.de
>> > <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>>
>> > > To: ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >
>> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
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>> > > Message: 3
>> > > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
>> > > From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com
>> > <mailto:reza_rahman at lycos.com>>
>> > > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> > > Message-ID:
>> > <mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> > >
>> > > While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
>> > support in
>> > > the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
>> > Jakarata EE for
>> > > the reasons stated.
>> > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> > > -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
>> > > salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29
>> > AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
>> > > ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still
>> > > behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > > Hi Ryan,
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
>> > as the IDE
>> > > for the consulters.
>> > >
>> > > Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
>> > the public
>> > > sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
>> > >
>> > > NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
>> > having
>> > > integrating our server.
>> > >
>> > > However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
>> > the market
>> > > by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
>> > >
>> > > This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
>> > by the
>> > > Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
>> > >
>> > > And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
>> > Foundation, it
>> > > would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
>> > Eclipse IDE.
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > Kind Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Alex
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
>> > >
>> > > Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com>>
>> > >
>> > > An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>>
>> > >
>> > > Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
>> > current state of
>> > > Java EE 8
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Alexander,
>> > >
>> > > ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> > for Java EE.
>> > > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>> > > is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>> > years now. I
>> > > would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>> > recommend
>> > > checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>> > Java EE
>> > > training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and
>> > includes
>> > > GlassFish (integrated).?
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
>> > be going
>> > > pretty well.?
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > -Ryan
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos at gmx.de
>> > <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Colleagues,
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> > Oxygen) is
>> > > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> > >
>> > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> > >
>> > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> > >
>> > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package"
>> > way is
>> > > offered.
>> > >
>> > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been
>> > offered
>> > > in older versions.
>> > >
>> > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> > not only
>> > > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> > >
>> > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> > widely used IDE
>> > > for Java EE.
>> > >
>> > > ?
>> > >
>> > > Best Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Alex
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Alexander Salvanos
>> > >
>> > > Goebenstr.5
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>> > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:00:26 +0100
>> > From: Rudy De Busscher <rdebusscher at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:rdebusscher at gmail.com>>
>> > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > ? ? ? ? state of Java EE 8
>> > Message-ID:
>> > ? ? ? ?
>> > <CAL+wt-42xe-Qhoz+PnSXt7+-3CizriOW4srxL+ibCUo0-D1Uew at mail.gmail.com
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>> > Werner,
>> >
>> > Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven.
>> > But the
>> > purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete,
>> indicate
>> > errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated
>> > to Java
>> > EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will
>> > slow me
>> > down!).
>> >
>> > Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although
>> > I'm an
>> > IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch)
>> >
>> > Rudy
>> >
>> > On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:werner.keil at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Alex,
>> > >
>> > > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
>> > only the
>> > > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
>> > "Jakarta EE".
>> > > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up
>> > to the EE4J
>> > > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
>> > EE.next WG.
>> > >
>> > > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it
>> > should not be
>> > > a problem in most IDEs.
>> > > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
>> > most cases)
>> > > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
>> > hardly
>> > > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
>> > features each
>> > > of the containers already supports.
>> > >
>> > > Werner
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
>> > <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>>
>> > > wrote:
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>> > >>
>> > >>? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >>? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
>> > >>? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >>? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
>> > >>? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >>? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------
>> > >>
>> > >> Message: 1
>> > >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
>> > >> From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com>>
>> > >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> > >> Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com>>
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>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Alexander,
>> > >>? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> > for Java
>> > >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>> is
>> > >> absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>> > years now. I
>> > >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>> > recommend
>> > >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>> > Java EE
>> > >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
>> > and includes
>> > >> GlassFish (integrated).
>> > >>
>> > >>? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
>> > to be going
>> > >> pretty well.
>> > >>
>> > >>? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>> > >>
>> > >> -Ryan
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>> > <salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>>
>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dear Colleagues,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> > Oxygen)
>> > >> is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> > >> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> > >> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> > >> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>> > package" way is
>> > >> offered.
>> > >> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>> been
>> > >> offered in older versions.
>> > >> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> > not only
>> > >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> > >> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> > widely used
>> > >> IDE for Java EE.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Best Regards,
>> > >> > Alex
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Alexander Salvanos
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>> > >> Message: 2
>> > >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
>> > >> From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos at gmx.de
>> > <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>>
>> > >> To: ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse
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>> > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
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>> > >> Message: 3
>> > >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
>> > >> From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com
>> > <mailto:reza_rahman at lycos.com>>
>> > >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> > >> Message-ID:
>> > <mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> > >>
>> > >> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
>> > support in
>> > >> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
>> > Jakarata EE for
>> > >> the reasons stated.
>> > >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> > >> -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
>> > >> salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29
>> > AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
>> > >> ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is
>> > >> still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> > >> Hi Ryan,
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
>> > as the IDE
>> > >> for the consulters.
>> > >>
>> > >> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
>> the
>> > >> public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
>> > >>
>> > >> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
>> > having
>> > >> integrating our server.
>> > >>
>> > >> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
>> > the market
>> > >> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
>> > >>
>> > >> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
>> > by the
>> > >> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
>> > >>
>> > >> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
>> > Foundation, it
>> > >> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
>> > Eclipse IDE.
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> Kind Regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Alex
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
>> > >>
>> > >> Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com
>> >>
>> > >>
>> > >> An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>>
>> > >>
>> > >> Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
>> > current state
>> > >> of Java EE 8
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Alexander,
>> > >>
>> > >> ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> > for Java
>> > >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>> > >> is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>> > years now. I
>> > >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>> > recommend
>> > >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>> > Java EE
>> > >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
>> > and includes
>> > >> GlassFish (integrated).?
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
>> > to be going
>> > >> pretty well.?
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> -Ryan
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>> > <salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Colleagues,
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> > Oxygen) is
>> > >> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> > >>
>> > >> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> > >>
>> > >> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> > >>
>> > >> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>> > package" way is
>> > >> offered.
>> > >>
>> > >> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>> > been offered
>> > >> in older versions.
>> > >>
>> > >> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> > not only
>> > >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> > >>
>> > >> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> > widely used
>> > >> IDE for Java EE.
>> > >>
>> > >> ?
>> > >>
>> > >> Best Regards,
>> > >>
>> > >> Alex
>> >
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