[jbosstools-dev] Fwd: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8

Nick Boldt nboldt at redhat.com
Wed Feb 28 09:12:30 EST 2018


FYI.

This is an opportunity for Red Hat to step up and lead the development of
tooling for Java EE 8 / Jakarta EE 8. [1]

[1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/from-javaee-to-jakartaee

Is this something we should consider for Devstudio 12 / Che ?

Nick

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current state of
Java EE 8
To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org>


Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure, if it'll cover all of Java EE 8 but there is a WebTools release
> scheduled for the annual Photon Release Train:
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools
>

There basically always is, but there's not really a plan published (see
same project site). I got the idea a lot of the focus at Red Hat these days
is to support the AngularJS tooling that Red Hat is working on, but I'm not
100% sure.

Nick from Red Hat (https://github.com/nickboldt) is the biggest committer
at the moment for WTP: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/webtools/who

This gives some overview of the activity per repo:

https://github.com/eclipse?utf8=✓&q=webtools

Specifically for Java EE the following are interesting I think:

* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.javaee/commits/master
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.servertools/commits/master
* https://github.com/eclipse/webtools.jsf/commits/master

Quickly glancing through the commits I don't think even JSF 2.2 (Java EE 7)
support has yet be worked on, and certainly not JSF 2.3.

I've bcc'ed the PMC and committers Nick and John.

@Elson, could you perhaps shed some light on the EE 7/EE 8 support plans
for WTP?

Kind regards,
Arjan Tijms







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> Werner
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> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:41 PM, <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>
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>>    1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>>       (Mike Milinkovich)
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 16:41:27 -0500
>> From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich at eclipse-foundation.org>
>> To: ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>>         state of Java EE 8
>> Message-ID:
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>> On 2018-02-27 12:21 PM, Alexander Salvanos wrote:
>> > Hi Werner, Hi Ryan,
>> > the effort in the design and the implementation of the Java EE 8
>> > technologies need an easy way to be brought to the users.
>> > Often it is the IDE, that helps newcomers to draw up a new application
>> > by using comfortable tools.
>> > On the job I am using Maven just like you, but I have also dived into
>> > the Eclipse Functionality for Java EE quite deep,
>> > using and explaining each wizard in detail and I must repeat my
>> > indication, that some significant locations are outdated
>> > and the users will repetitively get to deprecated outcomes. The
>> > changes that have to be done might be in feasable extent.
>> > But it would be good to know, if the WTP-team working on this project
>> > has a road map, that could be published officially.
>> > @Mike: Do you know, if the WTP-team has a release date for a Java EE 8
>> > compliant WTP-Plugin?
>>
>> No, I am sorry but I do not. That question should be directed to the
>> wtp-dev or wtp-pmc lists.
>>
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > Alexander Salvanos
>> > Goebenstr.5
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>> > *Gesendet:*?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 17:41 Uhr
>> > *Von:*?"Werner Keil" <werner.keil at gmail.com>
>> > *An:*?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
>> > *Betreff:*?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> > state of Java EE 8
>> > Rudy,
>> > Auto-complete and similar features also work if all dependencies can
>> > be resolved with Maven/M2E/M2WTP, but WTP itself will have to support
>> > either Java EE 8 soon or decide to skip it and immediately go
>> > EE4J/JakartaEE.
>> > The "WYSIWYG" editors for HTML, JSP, JSF and other aspects of Java EE
>> > (some extensions like JBoss Tools also add extra CDI/Weld support)
>> > have to work with new features of Java EE 8 or the next version.
>> >
>> > Werner
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 5:13 PM, <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org
>> > <mailto:ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>> wrote:
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>> >     ? ?1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of? Java EE 8
>> >     ? ? ? (Werner Keil)
>> >     ? ?2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     ? ? ? (Rudy De Busscher)
>> >
>> >
>> >     -----------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------
>> >
>> >     Message: 1
>> >     Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:49:33 +0100
>> >     From: Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:werner.keil at gmail.com>>
>> >     To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     ? ? ? ? state of? ? ? ? Java EE 8
>> >     Message-ID:
>> >     ? ? ? ?
>> >     <CAAGawe3eWjNU70sRDC2z_+Q=bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ at mail.gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:bbKQy101ZuxjGm4MFKQq0djryQ at mail.gmail.com>>
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>> >     Alex,
>> >
>> >     Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
>> >     only the
>> >     next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
>> >     "Jakarta EE".
>> >     Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up to
>> >     the EE4J
>> >     PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
>> >     EE.next WG.
>> >
>> >     If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it should
>> >     not be a
>> >     problem in most IDEs.
>> >     You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
>> >     most cases)
>> >     app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
>> hardly
>> >     matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
>> >     features each
>> >     of the containers already supports.
>> >
>> >     Werner
>> >
>> >
>> >     On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
>> >     <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>> wrote:
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>> >     >
>> >     >? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
>> >     >? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
>> >     >? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
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>> >     > Message: 1
>> >     > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
>> >     > From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com>>
>> >     > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> >     > Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com>>
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>> >     >
>> >     > Hi Alexander,
>> >     >? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> >     for Java EE.
>> >     > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript is
>> >     absolutely
>> >     > abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many years now. I
>> >     would raise
>> >     > this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime recommend
>> >     checking out
>> >     > either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give Java EE
>> >     training classes
>> >     > at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and includes GlassFish
>> >     > (integrated).
>> >     >
>> >     >? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
>> >     be going
>> >     > pretty well.
>> >     >
>> >     >? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>> >     >
>> >     > -Ryan
>> >     >
>> >     > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>> >     <salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Dear Colleagues,
>> >     > >
>> >     > > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> >     Oxygen) is
>> >     > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> >     > > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> >     > > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> >     > > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>> >     package" way is
>> >     > offered.
>> >     > > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>> >     been offered
>> >     > in older versions.
>> >     > > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> >     not only
>> >     > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> >     > > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> >     widely used
>> >     > IDE for Java EE.
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Best Regards,
>> >     > > Alex
>> >     > >
>> >     > > Alexander Salvanos
>> >     > > Goebenstr.5
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> >
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>>
>> > D-53113 Bonn
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> >
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>> > Telefon: +49 (151) 24296962
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>> >     > Message: 2
>> >     > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
>> >     > From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos at gmx.de
>> >     <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>>
>> >     > To: ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >
>> >     > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
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>> >     > Message: 3
>> >     > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
>> >     > From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com
>> >     <mailto:reza_rahman at lycos.com>>
>> >     > To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     > Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     >? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> >     > Message-ID:
>> >     <mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >     >
>> >     > While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
>> >     support in
>> >     > the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
>> >     Jakarata EE for
>> >     > the reasons stated.
>> >     > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> >     > -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
>> >     > salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29
>> >     AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
>> >     > ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still
>> >     > behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     > Hi Ryan,
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
>> >     as the IDE
>> >     > for the consulters.
>> >     >
>> >     > Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
>> >     the public
>> >     > sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
>> >     >
>> >     > NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
>> >     having
>> >     > integrating our server.
>> >     >
>> >     > However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
>> >     the market
>> >     > by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
>> >     >
>> >     > This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
>> >     by the
>> >     > Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
>> >     >
>> >     > And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
>> >     Foundation, it
>> >     > would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
>> >     Eclipse IDE.
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > Kind Regards,
>> >     >
>> >     > Alex
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
>> >     >
>> >     > Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com>>
>> >     >
>> >     > An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>>
>> >     >
>> >     > Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
>> >     current state of
>> >     > Java EE 8
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > Hi Alexander,
>> >     >
>> >     > ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> >     for Java EE.
>> >     > Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>> >     > is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>> >     years now. I
>> >     > would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>> >     recommend
>> >     > checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>> >     Java EE
>> >     > training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free and
>> >     includes
>> >     > GlassFish (integrated).?
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks to
>> >     be going
>> >     > pretty well.?
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > -Ryan
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos <salvanos at gmx.de
>> >     <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > Dear Colleagues,
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> >     Oxygen) is
>> >     > still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> >     >
>> >     > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> >     >
>> >     > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> >     >
>> >     > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean package"
>> >     way is
>> >     > offered.
>> >     >
>> >     > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are been
>> >     offered
>> >     > in older versions.
>> >     >
>> >     > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> >     not only
>> >     > does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> >     >
>> >     > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> >     widely used IDE
>> >     > for Java EE.
>> >     >
>> >     > ?
>> >     >
>> >     > Best Regards,
>> >     >
>> >     > Alex
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > Alexander Salvanos
>> >     >
>> >     > Goebenstr.5
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> >
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Goebenstr.5+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%0D%0A+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+%C2%A0+D-53113+Bonn&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> >
>> >
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>> >     >
>> >
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>> >     Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 17:00:26 +0100
>> >     From: Rudy De Busscher <rdebusscher at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:rdebusscher at gmail.com>>
>> >     To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     ? ? ? ? state of Java EE 8
>> >     Message-ID:
>> >     ? ? ? ?
>> >     <CAL+wt-42xe-Qhoz+PnSXt7+-3CizriOW4srxL+ibCUo0-D1Uew at mail.gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:CAL%2Bwt-42xe-Qhoz%2BPnSXt7%2B-3CizriOW4srxL%2BibCU
>> o0-D1Uew at mail.gmail.com>>
>> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> >     Werner,
>> >
>> >     Correct that you mention that everything can be used with Maven.
>> >     But the
>> >     purpose of the IDE should be that it helps you (autocomplete,
>> indicate
>> >     errors, etc ...) coding your app. When eclipse IDE is not updated
>> >     to Java
>> >     EE 8 (or Jakarta EE) then I see no point in using it (as it will
>> >     slow me
>> >     down!).
>> >
>> >     Updating Eclipse IDE should receive the highest priority (although
>> >     I'm an
>> >     IntelliJ fan and probably will not switch)
>> >
>> >     Rudy
>> >
>> >     On 27 February 2018 at 15:49, Werner Keil <werner.keil at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:werner.keil at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     > Alex,
>> >     >
>> >     > Java EE 8 is no under the hood of the Eclipse Foundation. It's
>> >     only the
>> >     > next generation which we heard a majority wants to be called
>> >     "Jakarta EE".
>> >     > Wheter Jakarta EE will start with 1.0 or 9.0 I guess that is up
>> >     to the EE4J
>> >     > PMC or similar bodies, including the yet to be fully formed
>> >     EE.next WG.
>> >     >
>> >     > If you build your Java EE apps with Maven or Gradle then it
>> >     should not be
>> >     > a problem in most IDEs.
>> >     > You may have to retrieve a rather large (several hundred MB in
>> >     most cases)
>> >     > app server distro for Payara 5 or Wildfly 12 Beta, but then it
>> >     hardly
>> >     > matters which IDE you use. And you can use all the Java EE 8
>> >     features each
>> >     > of the containers already supports.
>> >     >
>> >     > Werner
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:55 PM,
>> >     <ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community-request at eclipse.org>>
>> >     > wrote:
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>> >     >>
>> >     >>? ? 1. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >>? ? ? ?(Ryan Cuprak)
>> >     >>? ? 2. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >>? ? ? ?(Alexander Salvanos)
>> >     >>? ? 3. Re: Eclipse is still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >>? ? ? ?(reza_rahman)
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
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>> >     >>
>> >     >> Message: 1
>> >     >> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:45:37 -0500
>> >     >> From: Ryan Cuprak <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com>>
>> >     >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> >     >> Message-ID: <CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:CD12168B-FF21-4E3A-9CC4-3D2B96030D0C at gmail.com>>
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>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Hi Alexander,
>> >     >>? Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> >     for Java
>> >     >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>> is
>> >     >> absolutely abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>> >     years now. I
>> >     >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>> >     recommend
>> >     >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>> >     Java EE
>> >     >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
>> >     and includes
>> >     >> GlassFish (integrated).
>> >     >>
>> >     >>? Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
>> >     to be going
>> >     >> pretty well.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>? Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> -Ryan
>> >     >>
>> >     >> > On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>> >     <salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>>
>>
>> >     >> wrote:
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Dear Colleagues,
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> >     Oxygen)
>> >     >> is still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> >     >> > This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> >     >> > Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> >     >> > E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>> >     package" way is
>> >     >> offered.
>> >     >> > When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>> been
>> >     >> offered in older versions.
>> >     >> > We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> >     not only
>> >     >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> >     >> > but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> >     widely used
>> >     >> IDE for Java EE.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Best Regards,
>> >     >> > Alex
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Alexander Salvanos
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>> >     >>
>> >     >> Message: 2
>> >     >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 11:29:29 +0100
>> >     >> From: "Alexander Salvanos" <salvanos at gmx.de
>> >     <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>>
>> >     >> To: ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse
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>> >     >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
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>> >     >>
>> >     >> Message: 3
>> >     >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:55:48 -0500
>> >     >> From: reza_rahman <reza_rahman at lycos.com
>> >     <mailto:reza_rahman at lycos.com>>
>> >     >> To: EE4J community discussions <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     >> Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the current
>> >     >>? ? ? ? ?state of Java EE 8
>> >     >> Message-ID:
>> >     <mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:mailman.244.1519739745.17181.ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>> >     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >     >>
>> >     >> While I myself am an avid NetBeans user, I do agree excellent
>> >     support in
>> >     >> the Eclipse IDE is extremely important for the success of
>> >     Jakarata EE for
>> >     >> the reasons stated.
>> >     >> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>> >     >> -------- Original message --------From: Alexander Salvanos <
>> >     >> salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> Date: 2/27/18? 5:29
>> >     AM? (GMT-05:00) To:
>> >     >> ee4j-community at eclipse.org <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>
>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is
>> >     >> still behind the current state of Java EE 8
>> >     >> Hi Ryan,
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> thank your for your reply. Well, in my project we use IntelliJ
>> >     as the IDE
>> >     >> for the consulters.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Our client is using the Eclipse IDE though, since they are from
>> the
>> >     >> public sector and cannot buy the expensive license.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> NetBeans was not an option, because of several problems we were
>> >     having
>> >     >> integrating our server.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> However, the problem is that the Eclipse IDE is being used in
>> >     the market
>> >     >> by far more then 70% of the Java EE developers.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> This is a statistic that was automatically collected last year
>> >     by the
>> >     >> Consulter-Agency GULP here in Germany.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> And now that Java EE 8 is under the hood of the Eclipse
>> >     Foundation, it
>> >     >> would be beneficial to have a good support of Java EE 8 in the
>> >     Eclipse IDE.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Kind Regards,
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Alex
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Gesendet:?Dienstag, 27. Februar 2018 um 03:45 Uhr
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Von:?"Ryan Cuprak" <rcuprak at gmail.com <mailto:rcuprak at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> An:?"EE4J community discussions" <ee4j-community at eclipse.org
>> >     <mailto:ee4j-community at eclipse.org>>
>>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Betreff:?Re: [ee4j-community] Eclipse is still behind the
>> >     current state
>> >     >> of Java EE 8
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Hi Alexander,
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?Both Intellij (Ultimate) and NetBeans have excellent support
>> >     for Java
>> >     >> EE. Eclipse is definitely way behind, its support for JavaScript
>> >     >> is?absolutely?abysmal as well. This has been the case fo many
>> >     years now. I
>> >     >> would raise this issue with the Eclipse IDE and in the meantime
>> >     recommend
>> >     >> checking out either NetBeans or IntelliJ Ultimate. When I give
>> >     Java EE
>> >     >> training classes at work I always use NetBeans as it is free
>> >     and includes
>> >     >> GlassFish (integrated).?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?Note, Oracle donated NetBeans to Apache, that donation looks
>> >     to be going
>> >     >> pretty well.?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?Excluding Eclipse, the state of Java EE tooling is pretty good.?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> -Ryan
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 5:37 AM, Alexander Salvanos
>> >     <salvanos at gmx.de <mailto:salvanos at gmx.de>> wrote:
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Dear Colleagues,
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> the current version of "Java EE for Developers" (with Eclipse
>> >     Oxygen) is
>> >     >> still far behind the current state of Java EE 8.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> This not only concerns the GlassFish tools, but also WTP.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Almost all technologies aren't referred updated.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> E.g. When using JSF, still the deprecated "managed bean
>> >     package" way is
>> >     >> offered.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> When using project facets, alsmost all the technologies are
>> >     been offered
>> >     >> in older versions.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> We need to be vigorously and decidedly updating here, because
>> >     not only
>> >     >> does this endanger the Eclipse IDE,
>> >     >>
>> >     >> but also the Java EE 8 standard, since Eclipse is the most
>> >     widely used
>> >     >> IDE for Java EE.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> ?
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Best Regards,
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Alex
>> >
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