[jbosstools-issues] [JBoss JIRA] (JBIDE-15335) Consider removing update site zips from jboss.org/tools

Tue Aug 13 10:43:26 EDT 2013

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Nick Boldt edited comment on JBIDE-15335 at 8/13/13 10:41 AM:
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Zip downloads are tracked by Magnolia / Sourceforge click tracker. So "518" is the sum of the values shown on this page: http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/stable/4_1 [today it's 385 + 143 = 528]

Marketplace installs do NOT include zip downloads because they do not involve downloading a zip. Therefore there's no lying involved. 

What's NOT included in Marketplace installs are the number of people who download from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/stable/kepler/ directly via Help > Install or Help > Search for updates. Therefore the number of people installing from the update site (rather than the update site zip) is in fact larger. Without more data, I cannot at this time state how MUCH larger the # of site installs is compared to the zip installs.

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This made zero sense. Sounds like you're comparing install by zip to install by zip, and deciding that in both cases the number is either 0 or "not at all". Please try again: 

{quote}"In case we actually have a way to separate installs done via zip and those done via zip then 518 installs is not 0 and so is 3340 not at all." {quote}

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Do we have any metrics re: customers who need JBT installable offline, vs. those who can get by w/ the JBDS installer jar (which also doubles as an update site zip) ?

      was (Author: nickboldt):
    Zip downloads are tracked by Magnolia / Sourceforge click tracker. So "518" is the sum of the values shown on this page: http://www.jboss.org/tools/download/stable/4_1 [today it's 385 + 143 = 528]

Marketplace installs do NOT include zip downloads because they do not involve downloading a zip. Therefore there's no lying involved. 

What's NOT included in Marketplace installs are the number of people who download from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/stable/kepler/ directly via Help > Install or Help > Search for updates. 

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This made zero sense. Sounds like you're comparing install by zip to install by zip, and deciding that in both cases the number is either 0 or "not at all". Please try again: 

{quote}"In case we actually have a way to separate installs done via zip and those done via zip then 518 installs is not 0 and so is 3340 not at all." {quote}

Do we have any metrics re: customers who need JBT installable offline, vs. those who can get by w/ the JBDS installer jar (which also doubles as an update site zip) ?

> Consider removing update site zips from jboss.org/tools
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>                 Key: JBIDE-15335
>                 URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-15335
>             Project: Tools (JBoss Tools)
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: updatesite
>    Affects Versions: 4.0.1.Final, 4.1.0.Final
>            Reporter: Nick Boldt
>            Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
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> Based on anecdotal evidence, it would appear that JBT 4.x is downloaded MANY MORE TIMES from Eclipse Marketplace than from jboss.org/tools:
> As of 2013-08-12 12:48pm:
> * Download stats from http://jboss.org/tools/download/stable/4_1 : 378 + 140 = *518 installs* (could be more if the zip's passed around w/in an org?)
> * Install stats for JBT 4.1.0 from Eclipse Marketplace for 2013/08: *3,678 installs* ({color:red}*7.1x*{color} as many)
> * Download stats from http://jboss.org/tools/download/stable/4_0 : 2441 + 899 = *3,340 installs* (could be more if the zip's passed around w/in an org?)
> * Install stats for JBT 4.0.1 from Eclipse Marketplace for 2013/04 - 2013/08: 11280 + 10421 + 9552 + 6246 + 1635 = *39,134 installs* ({color:red}*11.7x*{color} as many)
> So, is it time to stop providing a zip of the JBT update site? Seems like very few users want JBT delivered via zip.
> Note too that the stats collected above include a partial month (August 2013) during which many people are on vacation. To get a real sense of the download rates we ought to check these numbers again in September and October. 

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