[jbosstools-issues] [JBoss JIRA] (JBIDE-15335) Consider removing update site zips from jboss.org/tools

Tue Aug 13 10:59:26 EDT 2013

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Nick Boldt edited comment on JBIDE-15335 at 8/13/13 10:58 AM:
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OK, I'll allow that the zips are useful for archiving old releases.

The purpose of this JIRA is to look at ways to simplify and streamline what we offer, based on *what our users actually use*. Sure, a _few people_ download the zips for offline install, but look at the frequency of those compared to those that use the online update sites. 

Consider too that to use the zip you need to be online because not all the deps are included in the zip, unless you *ALSO download the 766M target platform zip*. 

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Do we still need the Hibernate Tools zip [1], given that its content is ALSO provided in the site AND the site zip, and therefore is installable 3 other ways:

* Marketplace from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/stable/kepler/
* JBT update site from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/stable/kepler/
* JBT update site zip from http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss/files/JBossTools/JBossTools4.1.x/jbosstools-Update-4.1.0.Final_2013-07-19_19-47-52-B380.zip

[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss/files/JBossTools/JBossTools4.1.x/hibernatetools-Update-4.1.0.Final_2013-07-19_19-47-52-B380.zip

I would argue no, since for JBT 4.0, it's only gotten 900 downloads in 4 months, compared to 39,134 installs from Eclipse Marketplace in the same period. That's {color:red}*43x*{color} as many!

      was (Author: nickboldt):
    OK, I'll allow that the zips are useful for archiving old releases.

The purpose of this JIRA is to look at ways to simplify and streamline what we offer, based on *what our users actually use*. Sure, a _few people_ download the zips for offline install, but look at the frequency of those compared to those that use the online update sites. 

Consider too that to use the zip you need to be online because not all the deps are included in the zip, unless you *ALSO download the 766M target platform zip*. 

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Do we still need the Hibernate Tools zip [1], given that its content is ALSO provided in the site AND the site zip, and therefore is installable 3 other ways:

* Marketplace from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/stable/kepler/
* JBT update site from http://download.jboss.org/jbosstools/updates/stable/kepler/
* JBT update site zip from http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss/files/JBossTools/JBossTools4.1.x/jbosstools-Update-4.1.0.Final_2013-07-19_19-47-52-B380.zip

[1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/jboss/files/JBossTools/JBossTools4.1.x/hibernatetools-Update-4.1.0.Final_2013-07-19_19-47-52-B380.zip

I would argue no, since for JBT 4.0, it's only gotten 900 downloads in 4 months, compared to 39,134 installs from Eclipse Marketplace in the same period. That's {color:red}*43x{color}* as many!

> Consider removing update site zips from jboss.org/tools
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>
>                 Key: JBIDE-15335
>                 URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-15335
>             Project: Tools (JBoss Tools)
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: updatesite
>    Affects Versions: 4.0.1.Final, 4.1.0.Final
>            Reporter: Nick Boldt
>            Assignee: Max Rydahl Andersen
>
> Based on anecdotal evidence, it would appear that JBT 4.x is downloaded MANY MORE TIMES from Eclipse Marketplace than from jboss.org/tools:
> As of 2013-08-12 12:48pm:
> * Download stats from http://jboss.org/tools/download/stable/4_1 : 378 + 140 = *518 installs* (could be more if the zip's passed around w/in an org?)
> * Install stats for JBT 4.1.0 from Eclipse Marketplace for 2013/08: *3,678 installs* ({color:red}*7.1x*{color} as many)
> * Download stats from http://jboss.org/tools/download/stable/4_0 : 2441 + 899 = *3,340 installs* (could be more if the zip's passed around w/in an org?)
> * Install stats for JBT 4.0.1 from Eclipse Marketplace for 2013/04 - 2013/08: 11280 + 10421 + 9552 + 6246 + 1635 = *39,134 installs* ({color:red}*11.7x*{color} as many)
> So, is it time to stop providing a zip of the JBT update site? Seems like very few users want JBT delivered via zip.
> Note too that the stats collected above include a partial month (August 2013) during which many people are on vacation. To get a real sense of the download rates we ought to check these numbers again in September and October. 

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