[jbosstools-issues] [JBoss JIRA] (JBIDE-20100) how to make users aware of fuse and other tooling only being available from earlyaccess?

[Max Rydahl Andersen (JIRA)]

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Max Rydahl Andersen commented on JBIDE-20100:
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thanks for the screencast, here are some initial comments then later on some concerns:

a) I assume the dialog does not show up if there is just one connector available and it is GA'ed (non-early access), right ? 
b) it should automatically select an option - I suggest the supported version and after that what user chose last.
c) earlyaccess should not be the first item in the list.
d) how do I disable earlyaccess so it will remove the EA updatesite from the list of updatesites it will look at ? 

and now the issue with this approach:
Once you have installed something from early access the earlyaccess updatesite is added to your jbds install and thus the choice you have here really does not guarantee you that the GA bits will be installed over what is in the earlyaccess. 
IMO, once a user the first time have said yes to earlyaccess and thus *enabled* earlyaccess he don't really have a choice anymore until he disables it. 

About the making JBDS users aware of using older JBDS - that was the main issue in this jira and I suggested a few times now how to do it (introduce a new connector type or certification which won't install anything but provide a way to tell users where to get things from). It is not an either or situation we have here - we need this (to stop having jiras and discussions about Fuse etc. missing from the field) AND we need to investe in having Fuse build compatible enough with JBDS - but the latter haven't worked the last 4 years and i'm sure we won't be much better of in the future nor does enabling earlyacccess by default work (as described above). What is so difficult/wrong about providing a way for us to tell users to go use another version for download ? (sure - it hurts my professional soul having to do it, but not handling it is no longer an option).


> how to make users aware of fuse and other tooling only being available from earlyaccess? 
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>                 Key: JBIDE-20100
>                 URL: https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-20100
>             Project: Tools (JBoss Tools)
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: central
>            Reporter: Max Rydahl Andersen
>            Assignee: Mickael Istria
>             Fix For: 4.3.0.CR1
>
>         Attachments: JBIDE-20100-2.png
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> [~jtyrrell] find it confusing when he cannot see Fuse and other earlyaccess features immediately on the install page.
> Some comments:
> "I install JBDS 8.1 and click on the JBoss Integration and SOA Development, but where is the Fuse tooling in that list."
> "<without earlyaccess> why doesn’t my screen shot tell me to use an older version of JBDS or something."
> Suggestion:
> "when I picked the Integration Stack a greyed out Fuse IDE thingy in the list of choices, and something like (Select early Access) to enable this feature."
> I'm fine exploring options to show early access features more prominently but would prefer we would not need to treat Fuse "special" so maybe we should have a "Early Access" section at the bottom instead of filtered in between everything else ? 
> and for any connectors that has additional/different features just add a "Extra features available in Early access " comment ? 
> But what to do when Fuse or others dont even have an earlyaccess out yet ? (like is currently the state for devstudio 9)
> [~crobson], [~aileenc] and [~lhein] got any suggestions ?



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