[keycloak-dev] Scope parameter support

John Dennis jdennis at redhat.com
Thu Jun 30 17:29:01 EDT 2016


On 06/30/2016 03:42 PM, Pedro Igor Silva wrote:
> IMO, roles and scopes are separated concepts. Where scopes may also
> implicate access to the roles granted to an user. Scopes have a
> pretty broad meaning.
>
> With that in mind, don't you think that we could just have a scope
> "roles" ? Which could be used to ask for the roles associated with
> the user that the client is acting on behalf of ?
>
> I think that the Protocol Mappers (for OIDC) provide pretty much
> everything you need. The missing part would be to make it capable of
> grouping other mappers. Actually, the concept behind a protocol
> mapper is pretty much related with a scope.

I think it would be valuable for the Keycloak team to define and publish 
what it thinks the terms "scope" and "role" mean and how those values 
propagate through Keycloak (e.g. where do they come from, if they are 
synthesized from other values then how). As well as their intended use.

People may be coming to Keycloak with a different set of assumptions on 
what those terms mean.

At the same time it would be worthwhile to include a discussion of 
groups and how they relate to roles (and scope?). That is because many 
applications define and manage roles themselves and assign roles based 
on group attributes returned in an assertion/claim attribute. Typically 
we have not expected an IdP to assign roles to a user. In an application 
which supports multiple IdP's (other than Keycloak, e.g. federation) you 
simply cannot assume the IdP can map a user into a role. Mapping a user 
into a role is usually application specific logic synthesized from 
attributes bound to the user principal.

-- 
John


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