[keycloak-dev] next-gen Keycloak proxy
sthorger at redhat.com
Thu Mar 16 06:19:46 EDT 2017
The Keycloak proxy shouldn't be tied directly to the database or caches. It
should ideally be stateless and ideally there's no need for sticky
It should be capable of running collocated with the Keycloak Server for
simplicity, but also should be possible to run in separate process. If it's
done as an additional subsystem that allows easily configuring a Keycloak
server to be IdP, IdP+Proxy or just Proxy.
Further, it should leverage OpenID Connect rather than us coming up with a
new separate protocol.
My reasoning behind this is simple:
* Please let's not invent another security protocol! That's a lot of work
and a whole new vulnerability vector to deal with.
* There will be tons more requests to a proxy than there are to the server.
Latency overhead will also be much more important.
On 14 March 2017 at 14:30, Bill Burke <bburke at redhat.com> wrote:
> On 3/14/17 9:20 AM, Marek Posolda wrote:
> > On 13/03/17 22:07, Bill Burke wrote:
> >> Keycloak Proxy was written a few years ago to secure apps that can't use
> >> an adapter provided by us. While Keycloak Proxy works (? mostly?)
> >> ,we've been pushing people to Apache + mod-auth-mellon or
> >> mod-auth-openidc for non-Java apps. I predict that relying on Apache
> >> to proxy and secure apps that can't use our adapters is going to quickly
> >> become an issue for us. We already have a need to write extensions to
> >> mod-auth-*, specifically to support Pedro's Authz work (which is really
> >> nice BTW!). We could also do tighter integration to make the
> >> configuration experience more user-friendly. The problem is we have
> >> zero expertise in this area and none of us are C/C++ developers (I
> >> haven't coded in C/C++ since 1999 when I was at Iona).
> >> This brings me to what would be the next generation of the Keycloak
> >> Proxy. The first thing I'd like to improve is that configuration would
> >> happen within the admin console. This configuration could be made much
> >> simpler as whatever protocol configuration that would be needed could be
> >> hard-coded and pre-configured. Mappers would focus on mapping values
> >> to HTTP headers.
> >> Beyond configuration, things become more interesting and complex and
> >> their are multiple factors in deciding the authentication protocol,
> >> proxy design, and provisioning:
> >> * Can/Should one Keycloak Proxy virtual host and proxy multiple apps in
> >> same instance? One thing stopping this is SSL. If Keycloak Proxy is
> >> handling SSL, then there is no possibility of virtual hosting. If the
> >> load balancer is handling SSL, then this is a possibility.
> >> * Keycloak Proxy currently needs an HttpSession as it stores
> >> authentication information (JWS access token and Refresh Token) there so
> >> it can forward it to the application. We'd have to either shrink needed
> >> information so it could be stored in a cookie, or replication sessions.
> >> THe latter of which would have the same issues with cross DC.
> >> * Should we collocate Keycloak proxy with Keycloak runtime? That is,
> >> should Keycloak Proxy have direct access to UserSession, CLientSession,
> >> and other model interfaces? The benefits of this are that you could
> >> have a really optimized auth protocol, you'd still have to bounce the
> >> browser to set up cookies directly, but everything else could be handled
> >> through the ClientSession object and there would be no need to generate
> >> or store tokens.
> > +1
> > I personally never tried Keycloak Proxy, but it's intended for the
> > applications, which don't understand OIDC or SAML right? So we don't
> > need another layer of separate KeycloakProxy server, which needs to
> > communicate through OIDC with Keycloak auth-server itself, but we can
> > maybe just have another login protocol implementation like "Keycloak
> > protocol" or something? Once user is successfully authenticated,
> > Keycloak will just programatically create token and add some headers
> > (KEYCLOAK_IDENTITY etc) and forward the request to the application.
> > Another advantage is, that we won't need anything special for the
> > replication and cross-dc. As long as all the state is cached in
> > userSession, Keycloak can just read the cached token from it and
> > forward to the application. We will need the solution for cross-dc of
> > userSessions anyway, but this will be able to just leverage it.
> The downside is that you potentially have a lot more nodes joining the
> cluster and also the memory footprint and size of the proxy. Keycloak
> server is 125M+ distro and currently takes up minimally 300M+ of actual
> RAM. I'm not sure if that's something we should take into account or
> not. I also don't know if users want one proxy that virtual-hosts a
> bunch of apps or not. I"m not keen on having multiple options for
> deploying the proxy. More work for us and more work for our users to
> figure out what to do. I would rather have one way that we can push
> people towards as the recommended and preferred way.
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