[keycloak-user] Application Management

Wed Apr 1 13:33:26 EDT 2015

Speaking with my colleagues, I believe it won't cause troubles for us. We
had to give view-applications: the admin console wouldn't work properly,
but this is also OK according to our requirements.

Would you mind giving us some feedback on [1]? We wrote this to experiment
a bit with the proposal, but I'm not familiar with keycloak's source or
practices. What should I do to help get this merged?

[1] https://github.com/keycloak/keycloak/compare/master...tpresa:master

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Stian Thorgersen <stian at redhat.com> wrote:

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thiago Presa" <thiago.addevico at gmail.com>
> > To: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>
> > Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
> > Sent: Friday, 27 March, 2015 2:01:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Application Management
> >
> > Ah, yes, I didn't understand your proposal properly. Wouldn't giving
> > manage-users to app-admins wouldn't cause trouble, since app-admins could
> > create and modify user accounts?
>
> Whether or not it's causing trouble depends on your requirements, but yes,
> they could create and modify user accounts, but not grant more privileges.
>
> If you need to go beyond this one alternative is to wrap the admin
> endpoints in your own application. We've just got so much on our plate at
> the moment that we can't provide this level of control on permissions.
>
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Stian Thorgersen <stian at redhat.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, yes.. I told you it was a bit rubbish and would need some
> re-design
> > > to implement more fine grained permissions. Doing that is a relatively
> big
> > > task and is not a high priority for us ATM.
> > >
> > > I'm a bit confused by this email as I proposed a simple solution that
> > > would resolve your requirements. If an admin can only grant permissions
> > > that admin has access to all you have to do is to create an admin that
> can
> > > only access roles for certain applications and your problem should be
> > > solved. That's a simple solution that we can add soon.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thiago Presa" <thiago.addevico at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Stian Thorgersen" <stian at redhat.com>
> > > > Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 26 March, 2015 8:10:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Application Management
> > > >
> > > > So I've spent the last couple of days playing with the source. :-)
> > > >
> > > > The current authorization mechanism is based on Realm/RealmApp i.e.
> > > > whenever an API resource is called, check if the User has the
> required
> > > > Right (manage, any, view) in the resource's Realm/RealmApp.
> > > >
> > > > Consider, for example, the URI
> > > >
> /admin/realms/{realm}/applications-by-id/{app-name}/roles/{role-name}.
> > > What
> > > > I was trying to do is to create a permission for {app-name} so that
> this
> > > > API call wouldn't require any Realm/RealmApp right.
> > > >
> > > > The problem I see is that this API call trigger many methods (i.e.
> > > > AdminRoot#getRealmsAdmin, RealmsAdminResource#getRealmAdmin,
> > > > RealmAdminResource#getApplicationsById, and so on...), and at those
> > > methods
> > > > there is not enough information to figure out whether this is:
> > > >
> > > > 1- An app-specific call and thus should be authorized even without
> realm
> > > > authorization, or;
> > > > 2- Not app-specific call and this should be properly authorized by
> > > > Realm/RealmApp.
> > > >
> > > > Even in the case of (1), the information on which app should I check
> for
> > > > authorization is not available.
> > > >
> > > > So it seems to me that this resource-loading mechanisms pressuposes
> an
> > > > authorization mechanism that checks only against the realm for
> > > permission,
> > > > and changing this seems daunting to me.
> > > >
> > > > Do you guys have any idea on a more local change I could make to
> achieve
> > > > the intended behavior?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Thiago Presa <
> thiago.addevico at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > OK, agreed. We thought this out of consistency, but if that's not a
> > > good
> > > > > design we surely can consider a better one.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Stian Thorgersen <
> stian at redhat.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> > From: "Thiago Presa" <thiago.addevico at gmail.com>
> > > > >> > To: stian at redhat.com
> > > > >> > Cc: keycloak-user at lists.jboss.org
> > > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, 24 March, 2015 1:41:16 PM
> > > > >> > Subject: Re: [keycloak-user] Application Management
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hi there,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm Alex's coworker and I'll be working on this too.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > We were just discussing your idea, and it seems to fit our
> > > requirements.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > As far as we have seen, keycloak already has a realm-admin
> concept.
> > > > >> > Whenever a realm "R" is created, it creates a R-realm
> application
> > > with
> > > > >> > a bunch of default roles (manage-users, manage-roles, etc.)
> into the
> > > > >> > realm master.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > We are currently thinking if we could mimic this structure for
> > > > >> > applications. What do you think?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's already messy with the way I modelled it and adding the same
> for
> > > > >> applications would be even worse. I don't see why that's needed
> > > though if
> > > > >> we'd add what I proposed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > I had an idea a while back that is a simple way to achieve
> what
> > > you're
> > > > >> > > asking for. Th> e idea would be to only allow an admin to
> grant
> > > roles
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> > > the admin has access to.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Basically:> * A user with admin (super user) role can grant
> any
> > > roles
> > > > >> (we
> > > > >> > > would need to add a per-> realm super user role)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > * A user with the role manage-users and some roles on app1 can
> > > only
> > > > >> grant
> > > > >> > > other users > the roles on app1
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > * A user with the role manage-users and some roles on app2 can
> > > only
> > > > >> grant
> > > > >> > > other users > the roles on app2
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > This is something we should add in either case (to prevent
> users
> > > > >> granting
> > > > >> > themselves more access). Would it solve your problems?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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