[keycloak-user] Replace use of Infinispan with User Sessions SPI ?

[Scott Rossillo]

AWS was why we didn’t use Infinispan to begin with.  That and it’s even more complicated when you deploy using Amazon’s Docker service (ECS) or Beanstalk.

It’s too bad Infinispan  / JGroups are beasts when the out of the box configuration can’t be used. I’m planning to document this as we fix but I’d avoid S3_PING and use JDBC_PING. You already need JDBC for the Keycloak DB, unless you’re using Mongo and it’s easier to test locally.

TCPPING will bite you on AWS if Amazon decides to replace one of your instances (which it does occasionally w/ECS or Beanstalk).

Best,  
Scott

Scott Rossillo
Smartling | Senior Software Engineer
srossillo at smartling.com

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Marek Posolda <mposolda at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> On 14/12/15 16:55, Marek Posolda wrote:
>> On 14/12/15 15:58, Bill Burke wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2015 5:01 AM, Niko Köbler wrote:
>>>> Hi Marek,
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 14.12.2015 um 08:50 schrieb Marek Posolda <mposolda at redhat.com
>>>>> <mailto:mposolda at redhat.com>>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Btv. what's your motivation to not use infinispan? If you afraid of
>>>>> cluster communication, you don't need to worry much about it, because
>>>>> if you run single keycloak through standalone.xml, the infinispan
>>>>> automatically works in LOCAL mode and there is no any cluster
>>>>> communication at all.
>>>> My current customer is running his apps in AWS. As known, multicast is
>>>> not available in cloud infrastructures. Wildfly/Infinispan Cluster works
>>>> pretty well with multicast w/o having to know too much about JGroups
>>>> config. S3_PING seams to be a viable way to get a cluster running in AWS.
>>>> But additionally, my customer doesn’t have any (deep) knowledge about
>>>> JBoss infrastructures and so I’m looking for a way to be able to run
>>>> Keycloak in a cluster in AWS without the need to build up deeper
>>>> knowlegde of JGroups config, for example in getting rid of Infinispan.
>>>> But I do understand all the concerns in doing this.
>>>> I still have to test S3_PING, if it works as easy as multicast. If yes,
>>>> we can use it, if no… I don’t know yet. But this gets offtopic for
>>>> Keycloak mailinglist, it’s more related to pure Wildfly/Infinispan.
>>>> 
>>> seems to me it would be much easier to get Infinispan working on AWS
>>> than to write and maintain an entire new caching mechanism and hope we
>>> don't refactor the cache SPI.
>>> 
>>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> I am sure infinispan/JGroups has possibility to run in non-multicast
>> environment. You may just need to figure how exactly to configure it. So
>> I agree that this issue is more related to Wildfly/Infinispan itself
>> than to Keycloak.
>> 
>> You may need to use jgroups protocols like TCP instead of default UDP
>> and maybe TCPPING (this requires to manually list all your cluster
>> nodes. But still, it's much better option IMO than rewriting UserSession
>> SPI)
> Btv. if TCPPING or S3_PING is an issue, there is also AWS_PING 
> http://www.jgroups.org/manual-3.x/html/protlist.html#d0e5100 , but it's 
> not official part of jgroups.
> 
> Marek
>> 
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