[rules-dev] Determining if a class is an event or not

Mon Nov 12 09:49:50 EST 2007

Hi Felipe,

I recall Edson saying that "Event" classes need to be ascertained at (RETE)
compilation time - which, I think, rules out the API addition. I was hoping
Edson, time permitting, would explain how declarative (fact-centric class)
imports currently work to generate an ObjectTypeNode and therefore to
understand how his proposal to create cached ObjectTypeConf instances for
Event-centric classes compares. My reasoning being that if the process is
similar the new event stuff should be no different; simply having two
ObjectTypeNodes - one for Events and another for Facts. See attached.

It's quite possible our exchanges have given Edson time to come to his own
conclusion and the solution is now being coded!

With kind regards,

Mike

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[mailto:rules-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Felipe Piccolini
Sent: 12 November 2007 13:25
To: Rules Dev List
Subject: Re: [rules-dev] Determining if a class is an event or not

Well, 

  IMHO for the experience I have I suggest to implement both solutions:
-an API insertEvet() so the user can implement the mechanism to manage
their rules knowing when a fact is an event or not.
-an Interface Event so when the user cant manage the flow asserting facts,
when
he cant know when a fact is or not an event, then maybe he can wrap some
facts on this
interface and the API insert() internaly can check if the fact is an event
or not and call insertEvent if
necesary.

:)

On 08-11-2007, at 11:27, Anstis, Michael ((M.)) wrote:

Here's my 2 cents - as a non-contributor to Drools codebase ;-)

You could add insertEventFactTypeThingie to the API? Then you need just
check that the class has been declared as an event in the DRL similar to
what must already happen for normal DRL imports. I personally don't have
issue with implementing a marker interface (this is what frameworks like
Hibernate, EJB3 and Spring etc have been imposing for years). What "wiring"
does the POJO need to become an Event for use in Drools? Are you trying to
internalise too much at the risk of making the event mechanism inflexible?

Cheers,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:rules-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Matthias
Sent: 08 November 2007 13:09
To: rules-dev at lists.jboss.org
Subject: Re: [rules-dev] Determining if a class is an event or not

Edson Tirelli <tirelli <at> post.com> writes:

   All,   I reached a point where I need to make a design decision and

would
like your opinion about it.   Imagine the following scenario:   A user has a
domain model like this:package a.b.c

;public interface Event { ... }package x.y.z;public class MyEvent

implements
a.b.c.Event {...}   Then, in his DRL file he writes:package p.q.r;import
event
a.b.c.*;    rule Xwhen

    Event( ... )then    ...end   So, it is clear that a.b.c.Event should

be
handled as an event by the engine.   At runtime, the user asserts an object
of
the class x.y.z.MyEvent into the working memory. Seems clear to me (and
probably
to the user) that MyEvent should be handled as an event, since by DRL
semantics, 

a.b.c.* are all events, and by OO class hierarchy concept, since

a.b.c.Event
is an event, x.y.z.MyEvent is an event too.   My question is: how the engine
knows that MyEvent is an event, since it only has the x.y.z.MyEvent

 class as input?   The only answer I have is that when the first MyEvent

instance is asserted into the working memory, we must get the class name and
iterate over all event import declarations checking for a match. In case no
one
is found, we need to repeat the process for each interface and each class up
in
the MyEvent hierarchy. Once this process is complete, we cache the results
in
the ObjectTypeConf. 

   This may be a quite heavy process to be executed each time a fact of a

different class is asserted in the working memory for the first time, but I
can't think a different user-friendly way to solve the question.

   The alternatives would be intrusive, IMO, breaking the drools premise

to
work with user-defined POJOs as facts: use anotations to annotate classes
that
are events, or mandate users implement a specific interface for events.

    Any better idea?    []s    Edson    --   Edson Tirelli  Software

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Edson,

I got your striving not to mandate users implement a specific interface for
events. However, why not at least introducing an empty event interface (i.e.
a
marker interface, similar to the Serializable interface in Java) the
user-defined event class(es) have to implement? This way, when inserting a
MyEvent instance, you can simply check whether it implements the event
interface
(by means of 'instanceof'). Moreover, while parsing the import statements of
a
rule file, it enables you to double-check whether all the "event imports"
really
refer to classes implementing the (empty) event interface.
In this regard, for me another question raises: Without making any
restrictions
on the structure for a user defined event class, how do you make sure it has
all
the  required attributes of an event (which in my opinion must be a
timestamp,
at least) and how do you access them (necessary for temporal relationships)?
Having said this, in my opinion defining an empty event interface may not be
sufficient; in addition, it must force the user to implement a method
returning
the event's occurrence date (i.e. the timestamp) at least... Or how would
you
handle this issue?

Matthias 

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