[rules-dev] Dropping Maven 2 for Gradle?

[Michael Neale]

I have a feeling a lot of similar pain to hibernate - as a lot of the needs
are the same (multiple modules, possibly different releases etc).

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org> wrote:

>  On 11/07/2010 23:55, Michael Neale wrote:
>
> I think you mean gradle - but yes, that makes sense.
>
>  There were others I was fond of - buildr was one - as far as I know, the
> nice things about all these "alternative" tools is that they at the least
> reuse the maven repositories and meta data - so it isn't starting from
> scratch.
>
>  As a consumer of libraries, I like having declarative dependencies, no
> matter what my build system is, so that is a good thing.
>
>  I think the drools build is pretty much as complex as hibernate - more so
> even - drools has a few stand alone components that have quite fiddly build
> steps (which still probably aren't fully automated), things like GWT,
> building cut down app servers etc... so it is worth watching closely how
> hibernate do.
>
>  Myself - I know that MarkP has struggled for years with maven, and won
> most battles - so the day I see mark switch to gradle/whatever, is the day I
> would probably switch.
>
> Build systems can suck time like nothing else, I've wasted so much time in
> the past. So in general the less time I spend working on the build the
> better, and at the moment it's not taking up a lot of time, so I have to get
> a strong itch to swap one pain for another ;)
>
> We will be splitting up the build going forward, so we'll see how much pain
> we go through there and whether it creates a strong enough itch.
>
> Mark
>
>
>  Maven 3 promises to be compatible - so that is an improvement over maven1
> (not sure if many remember that... oh the horror).
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor at codehaus.org>wrote:
>
>>  I'm happy to let the hibernate people guinee pig Grails. Initially
>> we'll move to maven 3 (as it's backwards compatible), and for the moment
>> maven is still what most people are familiar with.
>>
>> We'll be restructuring the build over time and if maven 3 doesn't do
>> what we need and/or hibernate people are reporting amazing results with
>> no sign of improvements to maven, then we can evaluate Grails.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On 11/07/2010 14:55, Geoffrey De Smet wrote:
>> > Steve makes some good, valid points on that blog about Maven 2.
>> > I get the feeling that Maven 3 fixes a lot of those problems and the
>> > maven 3.1 promises a lot too.
>> > At Devoxx 2009 I saw 2 presentations:
>> > - Gradle (the lead, forgot his name): showed a build of a one module
>> > project with one source file - and it was fast. All in all, Gradle felt
>> > like a toy (I must be wrong since the Hibernate guys are serious).
>> > - a Maven 3 (the lead, Jason) presentation: he basically went over all
>> > the things I hate about maven 2 and stated that maven 3 or 3.1 would fix
>> > them while remaining backward compatible. He showed a large
>> > multi-project build with tons of sources files and it was relatively
>> fast.
>> >
>> > It will be very interesting to see how hibernate's experimentation with
>> > Gradle goes and how the maven guys react.
>> >
>> >
>> > Nevertheless, I am convinced that most of the problems in our build are
>> > fixable, by cleaning up our build:
>> >     https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBRULES-2504
>> > If I get some time for that, I 'd love to pull the effort to fix those
>> > issues.
>> >
>> > With kind regards,
>> > Geoffrey De Smet
>> >
>> >
>> > Salaboy schreef:
>> >> I think that after the release it would be nice to research on this
>> kind of things. And now if jboss has another framework that uses gradle,
>> probably will be easier to migrate
>> >>
>> >> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com
>> >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com
>> >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar
>> >> - Mauricio "Salaboy" Salatino -
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 9, 2010, at 4:25, tolitius<webakaunt at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Before you move to Maven 3. There is still a chance to do the right
>> thing:
>> >>>
>> >>>    http://community.jboss.org/wiki/Gradlewhy
>> >>>
>> >>> one of the JBoss projects ( Hibernate ) already realized that. Time
>> for
>> >>> Drools to do to.
>> >>>
>> >>> /Anatoly
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