<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I could recomend a good portion of explained documentation and examples... sometimes its all an user need <DIV>to not mess it.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>:)</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 13-01-2007, at 18:49, Michael Neale wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">It is more common, hopefully over time education and tooling will make it clearer of the benefits of "the right way", but there seems to be a law that says turing complete environments/languages will be used for ANYTHING (and its true from my experience). <BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 1/13/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Peter Lin</B> <<A href="mailto:woolfel@gmail.com">woolfel@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <BR> haha, users already do the right thing :)<BR> <BR> so no one ever needs to worry about a rule being 5 pages with deeply nested and/or. Joking aside, I am quite shocked at how frequent users do it. In fact, I would say it's like half the time, users do stupid things like that.<BR> <BR> then they bring in a consultant, who fixes the pile of mess.<BR><SPAN class="sg"> <BR> peter</SPAN><DIV><SPAN class="e" id="q_1101cea5a09ef004_2"><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 1/13/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Michael Neale</B> <<A href="mailto:michael.neale@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> michael.neale@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> yes, well just cause you can, doesn't mean you should... ;) <BR><BR>I think its needed for the first order logic stuff like not, exists, forall, *occasionally* (especially "not" I have often wanted it), but should only be used as a light seasoning. <DIV><SPAN><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 1/12/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Peter Lin</B> <<A href="mailto:woolfel@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> woolfel@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <BR> oh the horror of users nesting statements 4-10 deep.<BR> <BR> I fear the poor user won't know what the heck they wrote the next day :)<BR><SPAN> <BR> peter</SPAN><DIV><SPAN><BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 1/12/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Edson Tirelli</B> <<A href="mailto:tirelli@post.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> tirelli@post.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Except for the need to change code target to 1.5, core and compiler<BR>are compiling fine now and all tests are green.<BR><BR> I just commited the new Builders. We now support any level of<BR>Conditional Elements nesting. <BR><BR> Forall is just syntax sugar that I will add now. Shall be ok on monday.<BR><BR> So, I think the major requirement for M1 is the MVEL stuff.<BR><BR> []s<BR> Edson<BR><BR>Michael Neale wrote:<BR><BR>> lol ! other then 3.0.x branch ?? ;)<BR>><BR>> Edson may know a branch to use, but in any case, Mark is beavering<BR>> away on MVEL integration which will be awesome (I think he wants MVEL<BR>> for an M1 release).<BR>><BR>> On 1/12/07, *Dirk Bergstrom* < <A href="mailto:dirk@juniper.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">dirk@juniper.net</A><BR>> <mailto:<A href="mailto:dirk@juniper.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> dirk@juniper.net</A>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> Michael Neale was heard to exclaim, On 01/02/07 05:28:<BR> > > Guys, I am ok to do a M1 release of 3.2 whenever needed<BR>><BR>> Any news on this? I've been running (in production now) on code I<BR>> pulled from<BR>> trunk a month or so ago, and it throws NPEs now and again. I'd <BR>> really like to<BR>> get something a bit more stable. Today's trunk "revision 8842"<BR>> doesn't build,<BR>> because the mvel code is Java 1.5.<BR>><BR>> I'm kinda stuck here, and I'm hoping that someone can throw me a <BR>> bone. 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