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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Michael.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Drools could provide an EJB3 Interface for Remoting for the ServiceImplementation.
Then you only need some client jar in the other app. That would be really easy
to use :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Okay, I will just wait what will happen in that area, so for our
current project we need another (read: hacky) solution. But for the long run I
see a big value in having a good Interface there, to integrate it in other
environments and apps…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bernd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Von:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org [mailto:rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org] <b>Im
Auftrag von </b>Michael Neale<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 3. März 2010 04:22<br>
<b>An:</b> Rules Dev List<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [rules-dev] Accessing JCR repository directly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>well no matter what the solution, it will always be
"remoting" - the only way to not have this would be to unpack the
guvnor war, and add in your app mixed in with all the classes etc (messy) -
then it would be in the same app/process as Guvnor and you could access it in
memory. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Other than that, it will be remove (even if on the same
machine - unless we have some kind of JCR/JNDI thing which I don't know would
do it). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As for what there is now: yes webdav would be it. Making
ServiceImplementation remotable would take a bit of work, yes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Bernd Rücker <<a
href="mailto:bernd.ruecker@camunda.com">bernd.ruecker@camunda.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>By the way:
ServiceImplementation doesn’t have to be remote in the first step. If I can
access is (without having a Seam application) locally via Java that would be
already a good start and makes it easy to create en EJB out of it…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Bernd Rücker<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 1. März 2010 09:29</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>An:</b> 'Rules Dev List'<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [rules-dev] Accessing JCR repository directly<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hi Michael.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the quick answer! </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Our use case at the moment
is, that we maintain the HEAD version of the rules in an own table locally in
the app, where we have a specialized GUI for authoring. As soon as they get
released we leveraged the RuleTemplate to generate a DRL file, which we want to
check in Guvnor, from where the deployment snapshots are created, versioned and
so on. So we have to access Guvnor programmatically (doesn’t have to be JCR).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A second nice use case we
face is to hang in the Drools Repository into a bigger JCR-Content-Tree (in the
area of ModeShape), so there JCR would be nice. Then we could use the JCR
Explorer, written from one of my colleagues, to have a look at the repos as
well. But okay, this is why we want to use JCR. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>But the most important issue
is to access the Repository programmatically from an EJB3. Maybe we could get
around classloading isolation and just access some static stuff for that. Or
making the ServiceImplementation really more generic usable, that would be
wonderful as well. But as it sounds it will take some time and will not be
released pretty soon? Then we have to find another way for now, since if
avoidable I don’t want to patch drools. So you mean I should use the internal
Remote Interface the GWT GUI is using? Where can I find that and how can I
create a correct reference?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Or I have to use Webdav, but
this looks pretty cumberstone to use it internally in one JBoss server instead
of pure Java mechanisms?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks and cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bernd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Von:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a
href="mailto:rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org" target="_blank">rules-dev-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Michael Neale<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 1. März 2010 00:27<br>
<b>An:</b> Rules Dev List<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [rules-dev] Accessing JCR repository directly</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi
Bernd. yes you have it correctly - seam starts things up. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>IN
terms of accessing JCR directly, this came up before and one idea was to use
the "remote" JCR interface - that means some refactoring I
guess. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So
the basic design is that there is a JCR server that starts up, and the
"clients" connect remotely (a client in this case is also the Guvnor
server side). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>That
way you can access it from multiple places. However, it may be a bit too low
level for this - the question is what do you want to access JCR for from your
external app? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A
better approach, is to make the ServiceImplementation a true remote interface
(at the moment it is, but for GWT clients only) - so ANY sort of client can
connect and access the guvnor services, without messing with low level data
structures - I am thinking the latter is the superior approach (and someone
else was looking at it). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Michael.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On
Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 4:53 AM, Bernd Rücker <<a
href="mailto:bernd.ruecker@camunda.com" target="_blank">bernd.ruecker@camunda.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Hey guys.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I thought I better ask that question on the
dev list, correct me if that was a bad choice ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I want to programmatically access the JCR
repository from another application (basically to author rules). I understood
the RulesRepository (which is a nice interface by the way). I tried to
understand how the JCR Session is created and can be accessed. As far as I
found it, it seems that a Seam Bean just starts everything
(RulesRepositoryManager). Now the question is: How can I access this from
another application? Because the workspace is locked, I cannot create another
Session from there.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Wouldn’t it be nice to bind the stuff in JNDI
correctly or something like that? Or if I do that, can I inject it into the
Seam application? Or maybe I can access the seam bean somehow from external?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>I think it would be the easiest and best to
access the JCR repos instead of using WebDav or whatever if I am in another
EJB3 application…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks a lot for any hint</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Bernd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'>Mobil +49 171 1473461</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:bernd.ruecker@camunda.com" target="_blank"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>bernd.ruecker@camunda.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'>---------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'>Amtsgericht Charlottenburg: HRB 113230 B</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'>Geschäftsführer: Jakob Freund, Bernd Rücker</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'>---------------------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#1F497D'>BPMN-Buch: <a
href="http://www.hanser.de/buch.asp?isbn=978-3-446-41768-7" target="_blank"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>http://www.hanser.de/buch.asp?isbn=978-3-446-41768-7</span></a>
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style='color:#1F497D'>EJB-3-Buch: <a href="http://www.ejbbuch.de/"
target="_blank"><span style='color:#1F497D'>http://www.ejbbuch.de/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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