[rules-users] Rules Engine always running

[Jones, Alan R]

Yes, some of these things are being considered. Thanks for your input ,
it has been helpful!
 



aj 



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From: Anstis, Michael (M.) [mailto:manstis1 at ford.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:12 AM
To: Rules Users List
Subject: RE: [rules-users] Rules Engine always running


I assume rules are dynamically added to the Rulebase and that there is
not a static set of rules associated with each application release? 
 
I believe new rules can be dynamically added to the existing Rulebase -
whether existing WM's inherit the new rules I don't know. Agenda Groups
could provide the control of which groups of rules fire.
 
Also, if you retain FactHandles to all asserted Facts depending upon the
decision made by the component the legacy Facts can be retracted before
the new rule is activated.
 
I assume you'll also have some "Rule life-cycle" control in place?
Either removing rules from a Rulebase (I believe to be possible) or
destroying redundant WM's (as per your proposal).
 
Sorry, this doesn't add much more value - although input from more
experienced users is welcomed.
 
Cheers,
 
Mike


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	From: rules-users-bounces at lists.jboss.org
[mailto:rules-users-bounces at lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Jones, Alan R
	Sent: 28 March 2007 15:29
	To: Rules Users List
	Subject: RE: [rules-users] Rules Engine always running
	
	
	Mike,
	 
	Thanks for you rresponse, however I'm not sure based on what we
are wanting to do that we should use a single working memory. The
proposed approach is: 
	 
	a rule has been added to the rule base, then a Fact (object)
comes along and we instantiate a working memory and fire all rules
relative to this working memory. The outcome from Drools is evaluated by
another sw component, and it is decided to try a different rule with a
given Fact.
	 
	So, a new rule, rule #2, comes along with slightly different
specifics on what it is supposed to match, so it is added to the rule
base. Then, Fact #2 comes down the pipeline.  A new working memory #2 is
instantiated against the existing rulebase, Fact #2 is asserted, and
fireAllRules() called against the working memory #2.
	 
	The desired behavior is that only rule #2 is actually kicked
into action (against Fact #2), since the first rule and fact is done
with. We don't want the previous rules/facts in the rule base operating
any longer. 
	 
	Maybe I just don't know enough about the proper application of
rules when solving particular problems to ask the right questions -- my
task is to expose JBoss rules as a service so I'm trying to understand a
bit about it's operation.
	 
	Thanks,
	
	

	aj 


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	Alan R Jones 
	Boeing S&IS Mission Systems 
	Denver Engineering Center (BDEC) 
	303.307.3415 

	 

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	From: Anstis, Michael (M.) [mailto:manstis1 at ford.com] 
	Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 2:23 AM
	To: Rules Users List
	Subject: RE: [rules-users] Rules Engine always running
	
	
	Hi Alan,
	 
	A working memory is in essence always available\running whilst
there is a reference to it; other than the "main" thread (on which your
public static void main executes) you don't need to use other threads
(but this obviously depends upon what exactly you're trying to achieve).
The Rulebase can contain all of your production rules (in fact this is
probably the recommended approach as, assuming some rules share a common
pattern, the resulting RETE network will be optimised); and you can feed
incoming objects (Facts in JBoss Rules terms) into one working memory
created from the one Rulebase. As objects are asserted patterns (LHS)
defining the rules are matched and, once fully matched, rules are
activated for execution (RHS). Unfortunately I don't have any experience
of JBoss Rules in a multi-threaded environment.
	 
	For example:-

		public static void main(String args[]) {
		 
		    Rulebase rb = loadRuleBase();
		    WorkingMemory wm = rb.newWorkingMemory();
		 
		    while (!exit()) {
		 
		        Collection c = getObjectsFromWherever();
		        assertObjectsIntoWorkingMemory(c, wm);
		        wm.fireAllRules();
		 
		                try {
		                    Thread.sleep(1000);
		                }
		                catch(InterruptedException ie) {
		        }
		 
		    }
		 
		}

	With kind regards,
	 
	Mike


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		From: rules-users-bounces at lists.jboss.org
[mailto:rules-users-bounces at lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Jones, Alan R
		Sent: 27 March 2007 19:05
		To: Rules Users List
		Subject: [rules-users] Rules Engine always running
		
		
		Kind of new to JBoss Rules...I'm trying to fiigure out
from what i have read so far if the following scenario is possible:
		 
		 
		1. Start up an instance of a working memory (say, with
dummy rule?) and keep it running, feeding it data objects to operate on
from time to time.
		2. As needed, kick off as many instance of working
memory within the single rule base (in a separate thread) and keep them
going as in step 1
		 
		The idea is to keep the rules engine running constantly,
but kick off separate working-memory threads for the injection of
various incoming rule sets and the objects those rule sets work on as
needed. Can anyone provide some insight to this? Pointers to examples,
perhaps?
		 



		Alan J. 


		 

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