<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Chris et al:<div><br></div><div>OK, I stole this from The Server Side Java Symposium group and modified to fit ORF:<div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>EXCUSE #1: Your current projects<br><br>You barely have time for a lunch break - How can you afford 6 days away from the office? Every session at ORF and either of the Boot Camps gives you practical skills you can USE: Performance tuning techniques that help you be proactive. Large-scale case studies that teach you what NOT to do. Best practices for building security into each development phase. Your current projects will be BETTER because of what you learn at the Symposium. See the complete agenda here at <a href="http://www.OctoberRulesFest.org/agenda.html">http://www.OctoberRulesFest.org/agenda.html</a><br><br>EXCUSE #2: Your budget<br><br>The October Rules Fest is by far the best value for your money, giving you more sessions for less money than any other conference. And each session is highly focused and spot-on for doing rulebase development. But we know things are tight, so we're offering this last minute deal: Students (with proper ID, etc.) can get in for $150. ORF Attendees go to either of the Boot Camps for free. The hotel has dropped their price down to $129 per night. You CAN do just the Drools or Jess Boot Camp for a small fee but that would be insane. That's how much we want you there!<br><br>EXCUSE #3: Your boss<br><br>You've told your boss about the impressive agenda and the practical skills you'll get. You've let them know how cost-effective this conference is compared to other alternatives. Now, remind them what they're getting out of the deal: A smarter, more productive, happier employee. The kind of employee that can make a real difference to major projects. AND, someone who can bring those skill BACK to the company and train others. <br><br>With all these reasons - and an exclusive discount setup - there's no excuse for missing The October Rules Fest. <br><br>There's something about being surrounded by passionate, involved people - people doing really some cool things with Rulebased Systems - sometimes mistakenly called Business Rule Management Systems or BRMS. You'll be inspired. You'll get great new ideas and different ways to look at the same old task. You'll remember what you LIKE about your job. Most of all, the company will be inspired by your enthusiasm and enthusiasm is contagious.<br></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Now - my own plug: You'll learn more in five or six days at October Rules Fest than you would in 10 one-week vendor schools. You'll get the meet the very people who made this industry what it is today. You can bring your own project to Boot Camp and get help with it from a couple of dozen other strange persons.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes, you have deadlines on other projects. But put this in light of having to go to a vendor school - would your boss justify that one? Of course! Well, take him/her to the Speaker list and the Agenda list and ask him/her if they have EVER seen such a highly focused group of speakers or presentations that would DIRECTLY help you and/or your other employees on all of the rulebased (BRMS) projects that you need today and the future rulebase (BRMS) projects that are being planned. </div><div><br></div><div>Regardless of the system, the experts are there:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Drools: Mark Proctor and Edson Tirelli (the inventor and Drools CEP guru)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>CLIPS: Gary Riley (the inventor)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Rete/Rete2/ReteIII/TECH: Dr. Charles Forgy (the inventor)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Blaze Advisor: Carlos Seranno-Morales (the inventor)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Open Rules: Dr. Jacob Feldman (the inventor)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Jess: Jason Morris (certified trainer for Jess)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Validation and Verification: Dr. Rick Hicks (guru for V&V)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>JRules: Dr. Hafedh Mili (the guy who wrote the JRules training manuals)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Tibco: Paul Vincent (chief developer & CEP Guru)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ANN: Dr. Daniel Levine (one of the God Fathers from Boston University ANN birthplace)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Enterprise Architecture: John Zachman (inventor of the Zachman Chart)</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Other Cool Stuff: Lots of Cool Geeks who want to share</div><div><br></div><div>And all of them are friends and love to share what they know with others. None of them are paid to speak or present - they do it because they know, as do I, that this is the only conference where you can share information and learn from others. The Pub Nights that you see listed are there only so that we can continue our discussion on into the night - and last year we did just that! NEVER have I seen so many who cared so much for such a niche in computing all in one place. It might never happen again.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; 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"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>SDG</div><div>James Owen</div><div>Founder October Rules Fest</div><div>Senior Consultant / Architect KBSC</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Bodoni SvtyTwo SC ITC TT'; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#976635"><a href="http://www.kbsc.com">http://www.kbsc.com</a></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Bodoni SvtyTwo SC ITC TT'; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#976635"><a href="http://www.OctoberRulesFest.org">http://www.OctoberRulesFest.org</a></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Bodoni SvtyTwo SC ITC TT'"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#976635">Twitter: OctRulesFest</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF">Blogs:</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><a href="http://JavaRules.blogspot.com">http://JavaRules.blogspot.com</a> [Rulebased Systems Blog]</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><a href="http://ORF2009.blogspot.com">http://ORF2009.blogspot.com</a> [October Rules Fest Blog]</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Garamond"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><a href="http://exscg.blogspot.com/">http://exscg.blogspot.com/</a> [Expert Systems Consulting Group Blog]</font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF" face="Garamond"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000FF"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Handwriting'" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><i>"If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."</i></span></font></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><b>Sir Isaac Newton in a letter to Robert Hooke, 5 Feb 1676</b></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#FF0000"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><b><br></b></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><b>Come to October Rules Fest and stand on the shoulders of the Giants of the industry; if only for a week.</b></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 14px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 6px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 6px; "><br></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></span></div></div></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br><div><div>On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Chris Richmond wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="blue" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Ed and James,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I would love to attend ORF to learn more about the science of rules engines in general as well. I’m not sure if I can get the company to cover the cost as well as the entire week of training days off. I also unfortunately, have a pretty large customer meeting the actual week of ORF. Now, they have said they are open to sending me to the Drools boot camp and that I don’t have to necessarily be there to meet the customers that week, so I might make a pitch.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">One thing about the ORF though. It seems a bit intimidating. By that I mean I will be surrounded by domain experts whereas I know little to nothing about rules based systems/design. I am trying to feel out Drools within a prototype application and we do plan on using it more, but I literally haven’t had the time to do some of the more theoretical background reading about algorithms(Rete and others) and other topics like this. I’m afraid I would be completely lost and unable to really contribute anything to discussions at the ORF.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">I also want to be able do defend the ORF as beneificial to someone like me if I am to sell it to my superiors and really believe it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">What are your thoughts guys?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org">rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a> [<a href="mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>James Owen<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:40 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:personname w:st="on">Rules Users List</st1:personname><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[rules-users] DBC => ORF 2009</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Chris:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">James here. From a purely selfish point of view, the Drools Boot Camp in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>followed by the October Rules Fest would be a GREAT opportunity for you not only to learn from the best Drools personnel, but also to learn from the absolute best in the business for rulebased systems. This is, to my knowledge, this is the ONLY conference dedicated to the practicing rulebase technical person. I really believe that you can learn more at DBC/ORF in a week than you could at 10 of the vendor schools.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Where else would you get a chance to listen to Dr. Charles Forgy, Gary Riley, Tom Cooper, Dr. Richard Hicks, Paul Vincent, Carlos Seranno-Morales, Dr. Daniel Levine, John Zachman and many, many others in one week? A seminar with ANY of these would cost more than the $500 that you would pay for ORf. Most techies go through life and NEVER get to meet even one of these guys. Not only that, you will get to hear them discuss among themselves and with the attendees all of the problems that are cropping up all over the world and possible solutions. Where else would you get to ask Dr. Forgy questions, one-on-one, about the NEW algorithm called TECH that is at least 10 times faster than his Rete 2 / III? Or to get into details with him about parallel rulebased systems?<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">And, you never know - this could be the last ORF. There might not be another one like this. Perhaps this sounds self-serving, but I can't stress enough the importance of attending NOW and not putting this off until another time. There might never be another time like this with this particular cast of speakers.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; "><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; 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"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span class="apple-style-span"><b><font size="4" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black; font-weight: bold; ">Come to October Rules Fest and stand on the shoulders of the Giants of the industry; if only for a week.</span></font></b></span><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="1" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 6px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 6px; "><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; "><br><br></span></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "></span><o:p></o:p></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span><o:p> </o:p></font></div></div></span></span></span><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Chris Richmond wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><span style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; "><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><u1:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><div link="blue" vlink="blue"><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Ed,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><br>Thanks a lot. I am thinking about comding to Drools boot camp in<span class="apple-converted-space"> <st1:city u2:st="on"><st1:place u2:st="on"></st1:place></st1:city></span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Dallas</st1:place></st1:city>? In late October. If not that one than the next one. Will you be there? I feel it would be beneficial to have some time to get over the hump with using Drools and Fusion to it’s full potential. That way I can give you guys my use cases and discuss a proper Drools strategy.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; ">Thank,<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><br>Chris<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy; "><u1:p> </u1:p></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; text-align: center; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "><hr size="3" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; "> </span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; "><a href="mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Edson Tirelli<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:45 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> <st1:personname u2:st="on"></st1:personname></span><st1:personname w:st="on">Rules Users List</st1:personname><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [rules-users] retrieving streams/entry points from java api</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><u1:p></u1:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "><u1:p> </u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "><br> Chris,<br><br> That is indeed missing in the public API. I am adding it as we speak, thanks for bringing that up:<br><br><a href="https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBRULES-2285" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBRULES-2285</a><br><br> Meanwhile, until we release the new version, the workaround is to downcast the interface:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; "> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></font><b><font size="2" color="#7f0055" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(127, 0, 85); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; font-weight: bold; background-position: initial initial; ">for</span></span></span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">(WorkingMemoryEntryPoint entry :<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="#0000c0" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(0, 0, 192); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">session</span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">.getWorkingMemoryEntryPoints()){</span></span></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; 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background-color: silver; background-position: initial initial; ">System</span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">.</span></span></span></font><i><font size="2" color="#0000c0" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; 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background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(42, 0, 255); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">"entry point stream: "</span></span></span></font><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; "> </span></span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">+<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br></span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "></span><o:p></o:p></font></span><font color="black"></font></p><u1:p></u1:p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; "> ((InternalWorkingMemoryEntryPoint)entry).getEntryPoint().getEntryPointId());</span></span></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> }</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">Edson<br><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><u1:p></u1:p><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">2009/9/29 Chris Richmond <<a href="mailto:crichmond@referentia.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">crichmond@referentia.com</a>><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; ">Hello,</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; ">I am trying to determine, iterate the working memory streams within my rule by doing the following:</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; "> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></font><b><font size="2" color="#7f0055" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(127, 0, 85); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; font-weight: bold; background-position: initial initial; ">for</span></span></span></font></b><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">(WorkingMemoryEntryPoint entry :<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="#0000c0" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(0, 0, 192); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">session</span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">.getWorkingMemoryEntryPoints()){</span></span></span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; "> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: silver; background-position: initial initial; ">System</span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">.</span></span></span></font><i><font size="2" color="#0000c0" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(0, 0, 192); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; font-style: italic; background-position: initial initial; ">err</span></span></span></font></i><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">.println(</span></span></span></font><font size="2" color="#2a00ff" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(42, 0, 255); background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">"entry point stream: "</span></span></span></font><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="background-attachment: scroll; background-position: 0% 0%; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; "> </span></span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: yellow; background-position: initial initial; ">+ entry.toString());</span></font></span><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> }</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">But I can find no method/way to finid the actual text name of the entry point(what is written in the rule as from entry-point “xxxx”).</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; ">Is there a way to do this? To list the readable names of the entry points from your session? I would like to list those entry points in a drop down as application profiles, so if they have one selected, one entry point of rules will be inserted to and so on..</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; ">Thanks,</span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; "> </span></font><u1:p></u1:p><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="#888888" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); ">Chris</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>rules-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rules-users@lists.jboss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rules-users@lists.jboss.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users</a><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "><br><br clear="all"><br>--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br> Edson Tirelli<br> JBoss Drools Core Development<br> JBoss by Red Hat @<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.jboss.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.jboss.com</a><u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="4" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; color: black; ">_______________________________________________<br>rules-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rules-users@lists.jboss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rules-users@lists.jboss.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></u1:smarttagtype></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "></span><o:p> </o:p></font></div></span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>rules-users mailing list<br><a href="mailto:rules-users@lists.jboss.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">rules-users@lists.jboss.org</a><br><a href="https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users</a><br></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></o:smarttagtype></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>