<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>+1<br><br>GreG</div><div><br>On Dec 6, 2010, at 5:03, "Swindells, Thomas" <<a href="mailto:TSwindells@nds.com">TSwindells@nds.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In my experience no-loop is pretty much worthless as it only prevents the most trivial type of loops (a rule reactivating itself). It provides no help for
the most common type of loop where multiple rules modify the same object and reactivate each other.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org">rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org</a> [mailto:rules-users-bounces@lists.jboss.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Anstis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 06 December 2010 10:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Rules Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rules-users] new to Drools: modeling issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Glad you're reading the documents - you'd be surprised how many people asking questions do not!<br>
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You can put off DSL until you're happy your rules are working, off course - in fact, IMO, it's easier to "debug" rules without the additional abstraction.<br>
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You're first rule looks better - although I'd still be inclined to look at no-loop rather than the check yourself (what if you need the new value to be dynamic; i.e. not just statically "value"? Your rules would become cumbersome).<br>
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The second rule does not associate StringHolder to any particular Child instance (although easily added); so you'd get the cross-product of StringHolders and Child facts; not I suspect what you'd want.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6 December 2010 10:36, Gabor Szokoli <<a href="mailto:szocske@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:szocske@gmail.com">szocske@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the instant response!<br>
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2010/12/6 Michael Anstis <<a href="mailto:michael.anstis@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:michael.anstis@gmail.com">michael.anstis@gmail.com</a></a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">> The drools-expert documentation would be a good starting point; otherwise<br>
> Wikipedia has a good overview of the RETE algorithm (all be it Drools has<br>
> its own extensions).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm reading the documentation thoroughly of course, but it seems to be<br>
centered about using the system and writing rules. Which is how it<br>
should be, don't get me wrong :-)<br>
I'm just hoping for some spoilers like "Section X will detail how java<br>
object are mapped to WMEs."<o:p></o:p></p>
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> Regarding your specifics; you could look into using a DSL for the domain<br>
> experts rather than pure DRL. Also, the no-loop attribute could\should help<br>
> with your looping fear (have a look in the documentation).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can I put off the DSL part for later, and consider it just an extra<br>
layer of rule file parsing for now?<br>
Do I lose the graphical on-line editor features of Guvnor (which I<br>
admittedly have not looked into yet, just salivated over some<br>
screenshots.) if I make a DSL?<o:p></o:p></p>
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> A rather disturbing example you choose to show in your email; I think I<br>
> prefer the "Cheese" centric types in the documentation :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Other than the attention-whoring double take in nomenclature, does<br>
that rule pattern look OK?<br>
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I'll stick with cheese in the future :-)<br>
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Thanks Again!<o:p></o:p></p>
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