[seam-dev] Re: Form, Input Elements and SeamText

Jay Balunas tech4j at gmail.com
Tue Mar 3 15:31:25 EST 2009 

On Mar 2, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Nick Belaevski wrote:

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> Jay Balunas wrote:
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>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Nick Belaevski  
>> <nbelaevski at exadel.com> wrote:
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>> Jay Balunas wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Nick Belaevski <nbelaevski at exadel.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> Jay Balunas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the editor component should be open to support any  
>>>> number of markup formats.  It should be the option of the user as  
>>>> to what is converted.  I like the idea of using jsf converters.   
>>>> It could allow people to really generate their own conversion  
>>>> support. However this is not how it is currently designed.  atm  
>>>> it uses a simple flag for "useSeamText".
>>>>
>>>> Created: https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/RF-6452
>>>>
>>>> -Jay
>>>>
>>> It's possible to use any converter with rich:editor. If user sets  
>>> useSeamText=true and doesn't provide his own converter, then  
>>> rich:editor implicitly creates instance of default SeamText  
>>> converter and uses it. So the user can provide his own  
>>> implementation of converter for SeamText or for any other  
>>> arbitrary markup language.
>>>
>>> Are you referring to the converter attribute here: "http://livedemo.exadel.com/richfaces-demo/richfaces/editor.jsf?c=editor&tab=info 
>>> ".  It looked like a straight carry over of the tag description  
>>> from the base.
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>> Yes, converter can be set either by using this attribute or nested  
>> tag.
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>>> Is there an example of this?  We need to make this more obvious  
>>> and perhaps provide some examples of how to use it.
>> There's no example in livedemo, we can add one for Textile or BB  
>> Text in the future.
>> Great - can you update the jira to represent this?
>>
> Done.
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>>> Also- if this is the case then "useSeamText" is really  
>>> "useConverter" in which case we not need it since we should be  
>>> able to tell is it is set or not.  Do you agree?
>> Yes, non-null converter is used if it is present. But in my opinion  
>> useSeamText="true" is much more handy for the developer than  
>> explicit converter specification .
>> I don't agree with this - especially since if we add Texttile we  
>> would need "useTexttile" and I think that is going away from JSF  
>> conventions.
> Yes, you are absolutely right. "useTextile" attribute does not look  
> good at all. The only thing I like in "useSeamText" attribute, is  
> its ability to switch between markup languages (this involves  
> switching of converters and validators) easily. Do we need to  
> support that, how do you think?
Lets move this to RF design forums.
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>>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dan Allen  
>>>> <dan.j.allen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm digging up an old thread here...
>>>>
>>>> Would it be possible for the tinyMCE component to output a more  
>>>> standard wiki syntax as well, such as textile (http://www.textism.com/tools/textile/)? 
>>>>  As complete as it may be, the Seam formatted text is yet another  
>>>> wiki syntax and the world has so many already. For people using  
>>>> Seam in an existing system/environment, it may be necessary to  
>>>> adapt. We can't support every syntax, but we can pick the most  
>>>> prevalent.
>>>>
>>>> Also, when I imagine how this component would work, I figured  
>>>> that all the conversation is handled by the JSF life cycle.
>>>>
>>>> When the editor is loaded wiki text is converted to html and  
>>>> displayed in the TinyMCE editor
>>>> When the form is saved, the html is converted to wiki text and  
>>>> copied back to the model
>>>>
>>>> You do stand to lose some control with this approach if the wiki  
>>>> syntax has special hooks. But then again, if someone wants that  
>>>> contorl, I suppose they can just edit the wiki text directly.
>>>>
>>>> -Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Jay Balunas <tech4j at gmail.com>  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> They are developing a richfaces component that implements tinyMCE  
>>>> (http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/) as a JSF component.
>>>>
>>>> The goal is that it also supports seam text conversion on the  
>>>> server side (afaict) which is why they are bringing up questions  
>>>> on proper conversion.
>>>>
>>>> Two places where I have run into the issue below is when creating  
>>>> an outline/draft document that I am not ready to post, but want  
>>>> to save, the other is when I have a section that I do not need  
>>>> introduction text for and would instead like to begin the first  
>>>> sub-section immediately.
>>>>
>>>> +header 1
>>>> ++header 2
>>>>
>>>> Is this a change to seam text grammar that would be acceptable?
>>>>
>>>> -Jay
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Christian Bauer  
>>>> <cbauer at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Oct 03, 2008, at 14:33 , Ilya Shaikovsky wrote:
>>>>
>>>> html allows us to use next code
>>>>
>>>> <h1>header 1<h1>
>>>> <h2>header 2<h2>
>>>>
>>>> but next code
>>>>
>>>> +header 1
>>>> ++header 2
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't done on purpose but I'm quite happy with requiring text  
>>>> between headlines. That's how real texts are written, it's good  
>>>> style.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How about your opinion on this?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what you guys are doing but if you want to submit  
>>>> reasonable changes to the seam-text.grammar, go  
>>>> ahead._______________________________________________
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>>> Best regards,
>>>   Nick Belaevski
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>> Best regards,
>>   Nick Belaevski
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