[seam-dev] Seam 3 space on JBoss Community

[Richard Mokua]

+1 for Ian.
For example, i think the sfwk.org site provides the best test for
performance (and capabilities ) of the Seam framework.


On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Ian Michell <ianmichell at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been watching this discussion and would like to add a couple comments.
> I work for a company that relies on many many different software components
> to make up our solution and it's a daily nightmare for me to work with as
> each element of my team has to focus on a different part of the system. The
> jboss.org CMS looks a bit slapped together (in terms of components) and
> based on experience can lead to a negative user experience.
>
> One thing that everyone needs to remember is that you are building a web
> application framework and as such; you should be showing that off to the
> best of your ability... For all of it's problems the seam website is a step
> in the right direction because it shows that you are actually willing to use
> the framework you are trying to "sell" to others... In other words, "eating
> your own dog food". I think that everyone should calm down, take a step back
> and agree on where the improvements need to be and just get on and do them.
> I also think that the community need to be involved as well.
>
> There is no point trying to get emotional about it as it will send out the
> wrong messages.
>
> On 19 Mar 2010, at 03:40, Gavin King wrote:
>
> > OK, fair enough, so off the top of my head, here's a list of
> > requirements that I think will be difficult to support on the
> > jboss.org platform.
> >
> > (1) consistent look, feel, and navigation across website and forums.
> > Since the jboss.org CMS and forums are totally different software
> > packages, having a consistent look/feel is going to be very difficult
> > and requires the maintenance of two different sets of templates ...
> > with seam wiki we get that for free. See hibernate.org for an example
> > of what it should *not* look like.
> >
> > (2) a (consistent) grammar-based wiki text content format for the
> > website and forums. The jboss.org forums use bbcode, which is much
> > less nice than seam text, and, since it is not based on a grammar,
> > cannot detect errors and instead goes off the rails and renders
> > rubbish. Seam text tells you when your text is not well-formed and
> > makes you fix the error. The jboss.org CMS uses mainly HTML, which is
> > a nightmare format for writing and maintaining content. Apparently
> > there is some suggestion that it might be able to support a seam text
> > plugin, but that still only solves half the problem.
> >
> > (2.5) Syntax highlighting for code samples.
> >
> > (3) Live preview in the content editor. This saves me so much time
> > it's ridiculous. Seam wiki not only renders a perfect preview of the
> > content I'm editing, it also tells me exactly where I have any
> > non-well-formed text.
> >
> > (4) Atom or RSS feeds, mainly for the forums, but also useful in some
> > other places.
> >
> > (5) Login with one click instead of 3 (duh).
> >
> > (6) Easy to-use online document history, diffs and rollback (the
> > jboss.org CMS may support this, I'm not sure).
> >
> > (7) An infrastructure which, unlike jboss.org, does not have a history
> > of being regularly unavailable or down for maintenance, or in the
> > process of migration to a new platform. (For example, right now, I
> > can't log in on jboss.org.)
> >
> > In addition to this list of things I came up with without thinking
> > very hard, we can add all the problems and limitations we're going to
> > stumble upon when we actually try using the jboss.org platforms. And
> > all the nice things about seamframework.org that we don't really
> > appreciate until they're not there.
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