[security-dev] Picketlink 2.8.0

Wed Nov 25 06:25:39 EST 2015

The amount of effort on application side is even less than with
picketlink. *The
thing is that you need keycloak server*. It can be executed either in same
JVM ( Wildfly/EAP instance) like your application or on completely
different server.

The best is to start with keycloak documentation and possibly screencasts
and try examples.

This is the "problem". Think about it:

I develop an open source system that uses a secure system and in theory,
can run on any application server compatible with JEE7+

My "users" will download the war, put on WF them still have to make a
number of settings on the server to be able to type username and password,
login, make control access, create groups, give permission ... Anyway,
unnecessary for this scenario.

What I know is that KC is a more business world, where we have a more
robust infrastructure. PL can be used in that case or something heavier
integrated with KC.

Well, what I am saying since I wrote my first e-mail is that technology
does not replace the other, but can complement each other...

But okay. For now, I would just someone could generate versions of PL,
snapshots, see and apply PR, make snapshots and publish to the maven, this
would be a great help.

*Arthur P. Gregório*
*+55 45 9958-0302*
@gregorioarthur
www.arthurgregorio.eti.br

2015-11-25 8:29 GMT-02:00 Marek Posolda <mposolda at redhat.com>:

> On 24/11/15 11:50, Arthur Gregório wrote:
>
> I only use JPA/LDAP authentication, simple and not need to mess with XML
> and have only a single Jar in my classpath without relying on my aplication
> server or something.
>
> With Keycloak, you also don't need to mess with any XML. The idea is, that
> there is minimal code needed on application side. All the work like
> authentication, identity management, LDAP integration, social integration
> etc is done on Keycloak server. Your application just needs to know how to
> talk to Keycloak server, so you need to add keycloak.json file with some
> "adapter configuration", which points how your application can talk to
> Keycloak server (it uses OpenID Connect or SAML2 protocols for
> communication with server) . The amount of dependencies on application side
> is also quite minimal.
>
>
> In short, KC can be very good at it, but for those who already have
> something done and solid in the PL, it is impossible to migrate.
>
> Until someone says I can use the KC to do this [1] with the same effort
> that I have with the PL, I will continue thinking that the framework should
> receive attention again.
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-picketlink-quickstarts/tree/master/picketlink-authentication-form-with-jsf
>
> The amount of effort on application side is even less than with
> picketlink. The thing is that you need keycloak server. It can be executed
> either in same JVM ( Wildfly/EAP instance) like your application or on
> completely different server.
>
> The best is to start with keycloak documentation and possibly screencasts
> and try examples.
>
> Marek
>
>
> *Arthur P. Gregório*
> *+55 45 9958-0302 <%2B55%2045%209958-0302>*
> @gregorioarthur
> www.arthurgregorio.eti.br
>
> 2015-11-24 5:46 GMT-02:00 Marek Posolda <mposolda at redhat.com>:
>
>> Keycloak now supports SAML SP implementation, which doesn't require KC
>> server. It can talk to any other SAML Idp. The docs is here
>> http://keycloak.github.io/docs/userguide/saml-client-adapter/html/index.html
>> . For the future, we will mainly focus on improve/maintain the Keycloak
>> SAML SP rather than Picketlink.
>>
>> Also there is no need to fork the Picketlink project to your own, you can
>> still propose and send PR to Picketlink . This will allow that more people
>> from the community can suffer from your work.
>>
>> Marek
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/11/15 23:40, larry mccay wrote:
>>
>> This is a disappointing situation.
>> PL should have been continued and then consumed by KC.
>> I will not be pulling in KC in its entirely in order to do SAML SP
>> implementations - we will need to move to something else.
>>
>> I suggest that a PL module be published from KC that has minimal
>> dependencies.
>> You can migrate the PL functionality to KC this way but not force all of
>> the new dependencies on consumers.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Arthur Gregório <
>> <arthurshakal at gmail.com>arthurshakal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I see this post, and i know what KC do..
>>>
>>> What I mean is that I do not need all the things that KC does, I want
>>> simple with the something like PL.
>>>
>>> I posted in a thread about it on the same topic "continuity of PL" on
>>> the dev list of KC and the same answer was given.
>>>
>>> PL is such a cool framework, I refuse to believe that only I use it or
>>> only I noticed this deep sleep that the project came...
>>>
>>> Finally, the fact is that PL is like Spring Security, a swatter
>>> convenient and fast flies. KC is already like a cannon, large and
>>> meaningless to the context of solving a simple problem like killing a
>>> single mosquito.
>>>
>>> But if so, the business is to make a project fork and working on my own
>>> version.
>>>
>>> at.,
>>>
>>> *Arthur P. Gregório*
>>> *+55 45 9958-0302 <%2B55%2045%209958-0302>*
>>> @gregorioarthur
>>> www.arthurgregorio.eti.br
>>>
>>> 2015-11-23 13:07 GMT-02:00 Bruno Oliveira < <bruno at abstractj.org>
>>> bruno at abstractj.org>:
>>>
>>>> Please take a look at
>>>> http://picketlink.org/news/2015/03/10/PicketLink-and-Keycloak-project-merge/
>>>>
>>>> I think this post answers your question.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 1:05 PM Stephen Agneta < <sagneta at gmail.com>
>>>> sagneta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll share what I know with you in the hopes that it will help
>>>>> somehow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well KC (keycloak) is a super-set of the PL (PicketLink) functionality
>>>>> thus in theory it ought to work fine once it is ready and once some sort of
>>>>> migration path is known. You may not wish to move to KC due to the
>>>>> additional functionality which may be off-putting for lite applications but
>>>>> KC will perform everything PL did and more and will do so in VM memory if
>>>>> you so choose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Essentially KC is a real federated authentication and authorization
>>>>> service with identity management that can run standalone or in-VM within a
>>>>> WildFly cluster. Although a Java implementation it works with other systems
>>>>> and languages out of process. It does integrate with Spring which may
>>>>> interest you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The following link provides information for Wildfly 9 clustered
>>>>> installation:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://keycloak.github.io/docs/userguide/keycloak-server/html/server-installation.html#overlay_install>
>>>>> http://keycloak.github.io/docs/userguide/keycloak-server/html/server-installation.html#overlay_install
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus you should be able to have your authorization demands met _in VM_
>>>>> as opposed to over-the-wire for performance reasons if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMOP I think the KC project is the right move. They are fixing the big
>>>>> issue which is the lack of an opensource Federated Identity Management
>>>>> System. They also fixed little things such as Composite Roles which are
>>>>> missing from PL.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I merely disliked the abrupt change-over. I also can't move to
>>>>> keycloak until I have more of an idea how the migration would work.
>>>>> For example, how different is the default KC relational schema from
>>>>> the default basic PL schema:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://keycloak.github.io/docs/userguide/keycloak-server/html/server-installation.html#d4e136>
>>>>> http://keycloak.github.io/docs/userguide/keycloak-server/html/server-installation.html#d4e136
>>>>>
>>>>> It is also not clear if keycloak has a CDI demand system ready like
>>>>> PicketLink. They only hint at it.  Also it runs in-cluster on Wildfly
>>>>> 9 and I am on 8. Nothing huge but issues that will need to be addressed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 8:54 AM Arthur Gregório <
>>>>> <arthurshakal at gmail.com>arthurshakal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And KC does not have the same purpose as the PL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, I have no reason to migrate from one to the other, I use PL
>>>>>> or go back to Spring Security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it seems that there has not been any development in PL, at least
>>>>>> in recent months, in short, it seems that the project is dying and all that
>>>>>> were used for its own account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with bugs like this <https://developer.jboss.org/thread/266387>
>>>>>> https://developer.jboss.org/thread/266387, it's not cool to let the
>>>>>> project stalled...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Arthur P. Gregório*
>>>>>> *+55 45 9958-0302 <%2B55%2045%209958-0302>*
>>>>>> @gregorioarthur
>>>>>> <http://www.arthurgregorio.eti.br>www.arthurgregorio.eti.br
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-11-23 11:47 GMT-02:00 Stephen Agneta < <sagneta at gmail.com>
>>>>>> sagneta at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It certainly appears that everything has moved to key-cloak but I am
>>>>>>> unsure that keycloak is ready to take the burden of current Picketlink
>>>>>>> implementations. Nor am I sure how the migration process would occur. The
>>>>>>> abruptness of the change is a bit disconcerting. Having said that
>>>>>>> Picketlink is working fine save for one defect that which I requested that
>>>>>>> is on the git HEAD but not in any particular release.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 8:43 AM Arthur Gregório <
>>>>>>> <arthurshakal at gmail.com>arthurshakal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Picketlink is dead?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The last commit in the project repo was in 9 july..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there a schedule for the new version or something like that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at.,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Arthur P. Gregório*
>>>>>>>> *+55 45 9958-0302 <%2B55%2045%209958-0302>*
>>>>>>>> @gregorioarthur
>>>>>>>> <http://www.arthurgregorio.eti.br>www.arthurgregorio.eti.br
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