[teiid-designer-dev] Re: [teiid-dev] 6.1 Release

[John Doyle]

Wow, this too three days to arrive.

----- "John Doyle" <jdoyle at redhat.com> wrote:

> I'm a connector developer and this release was not immaterial from my
> perspective, its an embarrassment.  NONE of my stuff works.  And just
> to be clear, this is not because of any defect in Teiid, but because
> of Designer problems that I identified too late to get fixed.  
> 
> But you know what, I don't care, it's done.  I'm asking about 6.1. 
> What are we going to differently for 6.1 to produce a release that is
> interesting and meaningful to users.  Unless we patch the 6.0.0
> Designer, which we don't want to do, you won't be able to use any of
> my connectors with a 6.0.0 Designer and a 6.1 Teiid either.  So we
> have to get 6.1 Teiid to work with 6.1 Designer as I see it.  
> 
> I've already stated how I think we should do this, leave Teiid in the
> unstable bucket until we have validated that Teiid and Designer work
> together.  Then move them both to stable, which is the new 'GA'.  How
> you you all think we should accomplish this? 
> 
> ~jd
> 
> ----- "Steven Hawkins" <shawkins at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > What seems to be disturbing everyone is what the definition of a
> > community release is.  Ultimately that's up to the community, so
> kudos
> > to us for having this discussion.  Also, I don't take John's
> comment
> > below as inflammatory, rather many of you heard me say the same
> prior
> > to open sourcing that notion of a Teiid only initial release was
> > immaterial from the perspective of most end users (but not
> connector
> > developers).
> > 
> > In a perfect world with respect to initial community releases, they
> > would have been done at the edge of a productization cycle.  Our
> > timing was instead to go open source (or at least make public
> > announcements) in the middle of a development cycle.  The 6.0.0
> > release of Teiid from an product perspective would be a milestone,
> but
> > was done for the community for two reasons.  First it was
> considered
> > desirable to have a release close to the project announcement date.
> 
> > The other reason, which is more important, was to establish the
> > independent nature of Teiid development.  We may not all agree with
> > those points, but there it stands. 
> > 
> > To sum up the best parts of this discussion:
> > 
> > Does the Teiid 6.0.0 release matter to most users - Not really.
> > 
> > Will there be synchronization between future Teiid and Teiid
> Designer
> > releases - Not really.
> > 
> > Will we be in the habit of patch releases - Not really.
> > 
> > Do we need modularize our software more - Yes.  A better separation
> of
> > Teiid Designer's usage of Teiid's code, separating out projects for
> > "large" connectors, soap services, etc.  
> > All need to be explored.  We've made the jump from 1 code base to
> 3,
> > we can do more if needed.
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Verhaeg" <jverhaeg at redhat.com>
> > To: "John Doyle" <jdoyle at redhat.com>
> > Cc: teiid-designer-dev at lists.jboss.org, teiid-dev at lists.jboss.org,
> > "Van Halbert" <vhalbert at redhat.com>, "Steven Hawkins"
> > <shawkins at redhat.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:36:19 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada
> > Central
> > Subject: Re: [teiid-designer-dev] Re: [teiid-dev] 6.1 Release
> > 
> > 
> > On Apr 23, 2009, at 10:29 AM, John Doyle wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > I agree with this as long as the predicate is that there is a  
> > > version of tooling (Designer or other) that we have validated to 
> 
> > > work with the Teiid release (excepting the new features in the
> Teiid
> >  
> > > release as you described above).
> > >
> > 
> > Agreed.  That's why I'm pretty much considering Teiid as a whole as 
> 
> > unreleased, regardless of what version the Teiid Server team is  
> > working on.  The difficult part is figuring out a way to convey this
> 
> > 
> > effectively to the community.  Backing off a little on what I said 
> 
> > before, it certainly would have been ideal in my mind if the very  
> > first version of Teiid wasn't released until Designer was ready, but
> 
> > 
> > that ship has sailed.
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John Doyle
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Email:  jdoyle at redhat.com