[wildfly-dev] smaller footprints
Bill Burke
bburke at redhat.com
Mon Feb 24 09:00:47 EST 2014
A lot of users want that ability, would you rather have them roll Netty
+ whatever?
On 2/23/2014 9:10 PM, Stuart Douglas wrote:
> No, because that means we essentially have to support and test every
> possible combination that someone might select.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Misty Stanley-Jones <misty at redhat.com
> <mailto:misty at redhat.com>> wrote:
>
> I know you guys aren’t there yet, but can we think about wrapping a
> GUI around this, so that the developer only needs to tick the boxes
> for what he does/doesn’t want, with dependencies sorted out
> automatically? Maybe some default profiles that select a group of
> things, but the ability to go in and add or remove individual
> subsystems as needed? Maybe this could be part of the installer but
> could optionally be run post-install as well.
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 2:01 AM, Brian Stansberry
> <brian.stansberry at redhat.com <mailto:brian.stansberry at redhat.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > When I said "Web" I meant the thing described on that wiki page Tomaz
> > linked:
> >
> > "Web
> >
> > Undertow subsystem, and all related dependencies, including a small
> > subset of EE and JNDI. This is basically just a Servlet
> container, and
> > will provide a platform for people that want to create web based
> > appliances or applications, and don't need all the additional
> > functionality that Wildfly provides. We should end up with
> something as
> > lightweight as Tomcat or Jetty, but with all our advanced management
> > functionality."
> >
> > On 2/21/14, 9:40 AM, Bill Burke wrote:
> >> Its also "Web" minus some stuff. For my project I want just
> Servlet,
> >> JAX-RS, JPA, and datasources. Its very very hard to figure out
> how to
> >> remove a subsystem and all its associated modules.
> >>
> >> BTW, I think my maven artifact thing got into JBoss Modules. So it
> >> would be possible to load jars on demand, or at least use it as
> a way to
> >> figure out which modules aren't being used ;).
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/21/2014 10:22 AM, Brian Stansberry wrote:
> >>> This will move things in the right direction, but not all the
> way there
> >>> yet. Note the set of capabilities Bill mention: web, CDI,
> JAX-RS, JPA.
> >>> That sounds like our "Web" variant, plus some stuff. It's the
> easy "plus
> >>> some stuff" part that needs sorting at some point.
> >>>
> >>> On 2/21/14, 9:08 AM, Tomaž Cerar wrote:
> >>>> Bill,
> >>>>
> >>>> that is exactly idea we have in mind of 9.
> >>>> We already started with producing WildFly core distribution in
> that is
> >>>> WildFly with no subsystems, upon which you can build you own
> wildfly.
> >>>> It is only 15mb and contains whole mgmt capabilites (CLI,
> standalone,
> >>>> domain,...) you can grab it at:
> >>>>
> http://download.jboss.org/wildfly/8.0.0.Final/core/wildfly-core-8.0.0.Final.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> For 9 we have plans to move things bit further and have
> decided that we
> >>>> will also do split codebase for core, ee, web, .. and other
> distributions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Current idea on code split up is here
> >>>> https://community.jboss.org/wiki/SplittingUpTheWildflyCodeBase
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> tomaz
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bill Burke <bburke at redhat.com
> <mailto:bburke at redhat.com>
> >>>> <mailto:bburke at redhat.com <mailto:bburke at redhat.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Resteasy list I have a few people "rolling their own
> app server"
> >>>> using Netty, Weld, Resteasy and JPA. I asked one of them
> "I don't
> >>>> understand why you are rolling your own app server" response:
> >>>>
> >>>> "It's actually a lot more lightweight. The minimum I can
> run the
> >>>> equivalent on AS7 on is ~ 180 mb in binaries, but
> throwing this
> >>>> together is about 32 mb (and compresses further when its
> packaged).
> >>>> I'm able to start the JVM on the bare minimum (~100mb on
> my linux VM)
> >>>> but AS7 with all I need is about 756mb. When rolling out
> in the
> >>>> cloud, where all of my REST APIs are stateless, running
> with this
> >>>> configuration helps us get a lot more per node."
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not complaining :), just something to think about. It
> might be
> >>>> really valuable to focus a bit in Wildfly 9 to make it
> easier to create
> >>>> custom profiles or even different packaging options for
> the app server
> >>>> instead of the exploded style we currently have.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Bill Burke
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> >>>> http://bill.burkecentral.com
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> >
> >
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