[wildfly-dev] Is JMX Needed in Core?

[Patton, John]

On 7/9/14 2:31 PM, "Stuart Douglas" <stuart.w.douglas at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Patton, John wrote:
>> I'll check if we did.  We're looking into releasing the code we built to
>> expose the metrics, but we have to get approvals and it's taking a
>>while.
>>
>> Perhaps my thoughts are out of scope for the one conversation I decided
>>to
>> jump into. :)  But, I do like having JMX available in the full dist and
>> enabling the modules in the provisioning tool.  That sounds appealing
>> irrespective of the trouble we had grabbing various metrics once we got
>> JMX working.  JMX has felt a bit like an afterthought with wildfly.
>
>Where JMX lives in the distro should not have any effect on the
>capabilities of the JMX subsystem. It will still be the same subsystem
>with the same functionality wether it lives in core or the full dist.

Yep, that makes sense. :)  I'll go back to lurking again.

Cheers,

-john

>
>Stuart
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -john
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/14 2:12 PM, "Brian Stansberry"<brian.stansberry at redhat.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> If things you need are not exposed via the undertow subsystem
>>>management
>>> API, please file feature request JIRAs. Or even better, send a patch if
>>> you exposed it via the subsystem.
>>>
>>> On 7/9/14, 1:55 PM, Patton, John wrote:
>>>> I'd like to vote for adding it into the full dist and configuring the
>>>> provisioning tool to grab the JMX modules.
>>>>
>>>> We rely on JMX for accessing specific monitoring metrics and it's
>>>> difficult to get at some of the metrics that used to be easily
>>>>available
>>>> in prior versions for some metrics.  We've had to jump through some
>>>> hoops
>>>> to get JMX working the way we need in wildfly 8 -- with the new
>>>>undertow
>>>> module, we had to write some code to expose some metrics that used to
>>>>be
>>>> part of the jbossweb module, like avgResponseTimeMS and requestCount.
>>>> Would be awesome if JMX support was more complete and part of the full
>>>> dist.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> John H Patton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/9/14 1:27 PM, "Brian Stansberry"<brian.stansberry at redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My earlier reply on this thread was in the branch focused on the
>>>>> technical detail of how the dependency arises. Which should be fixed;
>>>>> sounds like that's happening.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the broader question of where stuff belongs, JMX is an interesting
>>>>> case. Lots of users will want JMX. A number of subsystems have
>>>>>optional
>>>>> dependencies on it, including some like jgroups and infinispan that
>>>>>may
>>>>> end up being part of their own dist, separate from the full dist.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what's the plan for catering to these needs? Ship it in the full
>>>>> dist
>>>>> and those who want it depend on the full dist but configure the
>>>>> provisioning tool to only grab the JMX modules? Make it a micro-dist?
>>>>> Maybe a mini-dist packaged with some others? JMX, system-jmx, pojo as
>>>>> the "deploy your own services" dist? (I don't like that last one,
>>>>>just
>>>>> brainstorming...)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/9/14, 5:47 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:
>>>>>> Working with the split repo just questioning if JMX is really needed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> core?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whilst most distributions would include it I am not convinced it is
>>>>>>a
>>>>>> subsystem all must have.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Manageable logging isn't either. Lots of people used
>>>>>logging.properties
>>>>> for a long time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note I'm not advocating removing logging from core; I'm just saying
>>>>> that
>>>>> no subsystem has to be in core if that's the criteria.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Darran Lofthouse.
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>>>>>
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