[hibernate-dev] Stride

[Emmanuel Bernard]

I like Zulip a lot. I've been using it extensively and the notion of
topic (like a email subjet) is a big +1 for me and for any more casual
lurker. Also it reduces the proliferation of one off/single subject
channel that a lurker always miss in tools like Slack.

Granted Zulip topics are a bit offsetting for the first 5 posts. And yes
their mobile client is really bad. But the desktop client is really
nice.

Slack is slack, I don't particularly enjoy the UI but people seem to like
it. Their optional discussion thread model (within a channel) is a
disaster if you ask me. And, yes you need CPU and RAM in excess.

On Fri 18-07-27  9:19, Yoann Rodiere wrote:
>So, I guess this closes the "Stride" case: we won't use it.
>
>I quite like Zulip, but I must admit it doesn't do much to make life easy
>for new users. This choice of theirs to make topics mandatory (or at least
>*seemingly* mandatory), in particular, is very likely to confuse new users,
>be it Hibernate Users joining to look for help, or even people in our team.
>So even though I like it, I think a lot of people won't, so they won't use
>it much, which kind of defeats the purpose of a communication tool.
>
>Slack would do the trick, I guess, and since most of our rooms are public
>we don't care that they probably use the data for their own profit (with
>such a trove of data, I would be surprised if they didn't).
>
>There are alternative solutions, though. Of course there are the clones of
>Slack such Rocket Chat and Mattermost. I just created a RocketChat
>instance: https://hibernate.rocket.chat/channel/general
>
>There is also gitter, which apparently some people in our team have been
>starting to use: https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm . No JIRA
>integration there, though.
>
>I think in the end it will all come down to what people in our team are
>most comfortable with. Whatever the technology and its future, what we need
>most is everyone to be happy with it. We can deal with yet another switch
>in the future, but in the meantime we need everyone to use whatever we
>picked. And in this regard, it would help if people made their preferences
>known... Anyone?
>
>Yoann Rodière
>Hibernate NoORM Team
>yoann at hibernate.org
>
>
>
>On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 08:43, Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 to test Zulip, thanks for setting it up Yoann.
>>
>> Personally having used it quite a bit with other projects: it has
>> potential but it's not particularly polished yet; in particular the
>> mobile client has severe issues, and people are quite often failing to
>> use the "topics" correctly.
>>
>> In the news today, Atlassian is killing both HipChat and Stride;
>> Started a partnership to move to Slack:
>>  -
>> https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/new-atlassian-slack-partnership
>>
>> I've been forced to use Slack as well for yet another group. Sadly not
>> OSS and infamous for needing tons of memory, but it's working very
>> well and has some very thouroughly well designed features.
>>
>> So this raises more question..
>>
>>   - will Zulip catch up?
>>
>>   - Do we prefer a half baked solution just because it's open?
>>
>>   - Is the humoungous memory requirement of Slack a real problem?
>>
>> Tempted to just get back to IRC :/
>>
>> The Atlassian&Slack partnership however is likely just a small step
>> towards more interesting integrations across the products.
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 at 21:56, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I encountered yet another problem with HipChat [1], so I created a
>> > Hibernate organization in Zulip. Turns out GitHub and Google
>> authentication
>> > are available even in the free plan.
>> >
>> > Anyone cares to join me to test it? It's here:
>> > https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/#
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> https://bitbucket.org/hipchat/hipchat-github-addon/issues/4/cant-add-organization-repo?_ga=2.132026959.1338067251.1532438591-706928748.1527601569
>> >
>> > Yoann Rodière
>> > Hibernate NoORM Team
>> > yoann at hibernate.org
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 22 May 2018 at 10:50, Guillaume Smet <guillaume.smet at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> ... But I think the one criteria that will make us pick Stride is free
>> > >> hosting. Most other platforms either do not have a free plan, or do
>> not
>> > >> provide all of their features to free plan users. Zulip apparently
>> removes
>> > >> OAuth authentication in its free plan, for instance. The Infinispan
>> team
>> > >> has OAuth authentication enabled though... Do they pay for their Zulip
>> > >> instance?
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Quote: "Zulip Cloud Premium is free for open source projects and a wide
>> > > variety of non-commercial entities"
>> > >
>> > > What bugged me first was the capped archives of the free offer.
>> > >
>> > > HipChat is doing a very similar thing.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Guillaume
>> > >
>> > >
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