[jboss-dev] hibernate 3.3.0 upgrade, slf4j introduction into jbossas

[Jason T. Greene]

Steve Ebersole wrote:
> <quote>
> The world if bigger than Hibernate
> </quote>
> 
> True, and you know what... the word is bigger than JBoss AS.  As I  have 
> mentioned numerous times, it is extremely arrogant and "ivory tower"-ish 
> to expect all libraries you want to consume into AS to comply with your 
> logging requirement.
> 
> And honestly, this whole thread shows the issues with attempting to 
> integrate with AS imo.  Namely almost a year ago I cam on this list and 
> asked about this very thing we are now disucssing.  And none of you 
> wanted to discuss it (oh some came and gave their opinions on topics 
> other than the question asked, sure...).  Yet here y'all are a year 
> later willing to discuss it and chastized me and so on and so forth.  An 
> ounce of prevention...  But no (and not to single *you* out, though you 
> certainly fall into this) you'd rather bash people after the fact as 
> opposed to discuss before hand and come to a consensus.  And *thats* why 
> this is so frustrating.

Hey I tried to be helpful! :) I even wrote code to help jboss-logging 
fit your needs. I don't see any reason why it can't be used outside of 
the AS. If it couldn't be, I would consider that a bug.

It is true that sl4j might be better, but IMO we really should try and 
pick one universal log adapter framework. Else integration is a mess (it 
already is).

-- 
Jason T. Greene
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