[jbosstools-dev] [Soa-tools-list] Use of sapphire in jboss tools projects ?

[Max Rydahl Andersen]

On 25 Feb 2014, at 15:19, Rob Cernich wrote:

> I think it may work well for smaller models.

define small ? :) My main interest is just for editing single files - 
not something that crosses multiple artefacts.

> As I recall, you needed to create your own model interfaces, 
> annotating them with the XML/UI details.

Yeah, and they can be adjusted to handle multiple versions so it feels 
much more sustainable/robust/flexible approach compared to i.e. EMF 
models.

> Sapphire then processed those annotations, generating the code 
> required for the UI.  I don't believe there is any tooling available 
> for automatically generating these annotated interfaces directly from 
> an XSD/DTD.

good point.

> Initially, they had some support for Graphiti, so you could generate 
> graphical editors in addition to master/detail style tree/field 
> editors.  That changed early on so the graphical editor was generated 
> directly on GEF.
>
> As Brian said, this is my knowledge as of about two years ago.

okey - the other issue Gorkem just mentioned to me is custom layout...I 
guess if you buy into sapphire you just need
to accept their layout ...

/max

> ----- Original Message -----
>> We tried to use it, but abandoned it pretty quickly. The issue wasn't 
>> that it
>> didn't work, but that it was a bit unstable at the time and didn't 
>> quite
>> handle everything we needed.
>>
>> That was a couple of years ago now, so I'm sure it's improved since 
>> then.
>>
>> I wish I could remember specifics, but it's been a long time now and 
>> there's
>> been a lot of water under the bridge.
>>
>> --Fitz
>>
>> _______________________________
>> Brian Fitzpatrick (aka "Fitz")
>> Senior Software Engineer, SOA-P
>> JBoss by Red Hat
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Max Rydahl Andersen" <max.andersen at gmail.com>
>> To: "jbosstools-dev jbosstools-dev" <jbosstools-dev at lists.jboss.org>
>> Cc: "soa-tools-list" <soa-tools-list at redhat.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 2:59:19 AM
>> Subject: [jbosstools-dev] Use of sapphire in jboss tools projects ?
>>
>> Heya,
>>
>>
>> In past in jboss tools core we haven't used it  but I know 
>> integration
>> stack uses it (SwitchYard? others ?)
>>
>> I'm just wondering:
>>
>> 1) Was it worth it ?
>>
>> 2) How much do you use it ? for xml-tree editors, graphical editors,
>> wizards, more ?
>>
>> Asking since I just got aware that they plan to go out of incubation 
>> for
>> Luna (https://www.eclipse.org/sapphire/releases/)
>> and with https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JBIDE-15394 and
>> http://screencast.com/t/058KgoS7ZK0 the value at least now
>> seem much greater than the past API breakage issues there was.
>>
>> I especially like
>> http://www.eclipse.org/sapphire/documentation/latest/versions/index.html
>> and the zero-EMF requirement on the models ;)
>>
>> /max
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