[jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository

Tue Mar 13 19:05:15 EDT 2012

Yes.. I was thinking as a light way component, POJO based decoupled from
the rest of the WEB application that can be started without the need of a
servlet container.. But I think that we went off the topic completely :)
Cheers

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Michael Anstis
<michael.anstis at gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, there is guvnor-repository that provides low level operations to (in
> theory) a Guvnor repository. However all our classes, integrity logic and
> means to expose it as an external service (ie REST, WebDav) are AFAIK in
> guvnor-webapp-core which you can't deploy outside of a container.... but
> this, in theory, could be split into different modules to provide better
> access. I am sure you appreciate exposing REST needs a container however
> WebDav might not. IDK.
>
> sent on the move
>
> On 13 Mar 2012 22:24, "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a
>> container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository
>> guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right?
>> Cheers
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis <
>> michael.anstis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I
>>> thought I'd respond too ;)
>>>
>>> 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet
>>> container so Tomcat does the job just fine.
>>>
>>> 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with the
>>> REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same issue.
>>>
>>> 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter
>>> your assets across a file system you have the same issue.
>>>
>>> 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution.
>>> Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point.
>>>
>>> I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance.
>>>
>>> Cheerio,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> *Other cloud providers are available.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I think you have very valid points. IMO just:
>>>> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have
>>>> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files
>>>> (service repo).
>>>> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a
>>>> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose
>>>> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a
>>>> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc.
>>>> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service repo,
>>>> then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong to
>>>> your repo..in the same environment that your users are developing/modelling
>>>> in..not very intuitive imo.
>>>> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of
>>>> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering
>>>> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all
>>>> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your
>>>> static files to akamai and call it a day :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm
>>>> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we
>>>> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images,
>>>> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want
>>>> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the
>>>> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we
>>>> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the
>>>> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if
>>>> we add that for all the other resources.
>>>> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the
>>>> Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that
>>>> for spring beans configs.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <
>>>> tsurdilo at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets that
>>>>> are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of Guvnor. I
>>>>> would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can specify the
>>>>> "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the community with
>>>>> all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install which will
>>>>> build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain or server
>>>>> they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right?
>>>>> Until now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define
>>>>> what is in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that
>>>>> functionality inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right?
>>>>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely
>>>>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository;
>>>>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC,
>>>>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its
>>>>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo
>>>>>> doesn't have some new effort.
>>>>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think
>>>>>> it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task
>>>>>> before to make it public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Giovanni
>>>>>>
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