[jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository

Tue Mar 13 19:09:42 EDT 2012

Lol, yes you sort of hijacked the thread ;)

We're going to be re-architecting guvnor over the coming months/years...
get your requirements in now - email drools-dev (I've cc'ed) and we can try
to accommodate... short-term community pull requests will be considered -
you are still community for the time being ;)

sent on the move

On 13 Mar 2012 23:05, "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes.. I was thinking as a light way component, POJO based decoupled from
> the rest of the WEB application that can be started without the need of a
> servlet container.. But I think that we went off the topic completely :)
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Michael Anstis <michael.anstis at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Well, there is guvnor-repository that provides low level operations to
>> (in theory) a Guvnor repository. However all our classes, integrity logic
>> and means to expose it as an external service (ie REST, WebDav) are AFAIK
>> in guvnor-webapp-core which you can't deploy outside of a container.... but
>> this, in theory, could be split into different modules to provide better
>> access. I am sure you appreciate exposing REST needs a container however
>> WebDav might not. IDK.
>>
>> sent on the move
>>
>> On 13 Mar 2012 22:24, "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a
>>> container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository
>>> guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right?
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis <
>>> michael.anstis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I
>>>> thought I'd respond too ;)
>>>>
>>>> 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet
>>>> container so Tomcat does the job just fine.
>>>>
>>>> 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with
>>>> the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter
>>>> your assets across a file system you have the same issue.
>>>>
>>>> 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution.
>>>> Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance.
>>>>
>>>> Cheerio,
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> *Other cloud providers are available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I think you have very valid points. IMO just:
>>>>> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have
>>>>> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files
>>>>> (service repo).
>>>>> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a
>>>>> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose
>>>>> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a
>>>>> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc.
>>>>> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service
>>>>> repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong
>>>>> to your repo..in the same environment that your users are
>>>>> developing/modelling in..not very intuitive imo.
>>>>> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of
>>>>> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering
>>>>> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all
>>>>> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your
>>>>> static files to akamai and call it a day :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm
>>>>> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we
>>>>> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images,
>>>>> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want
>>>>> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the
>>>>> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we
>>>>> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the
>>>>> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if
>>>>> we add that for all the other resources.
>>>>> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the
>>>>> Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that
>>>>> for spring beans configs.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic <
>>>>> tsurdilo at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets
>>>>>> that are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of
>>>>>> Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can
>>>>>> specify the "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the
>>>>>> community with all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install
>>>>>> which will build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain
>>>>>> or server they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right?
>>>>>> Until now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define
>>>>>> what is in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that
>>>>>> functionality inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right?
>>>>>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely
>>>>>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi at redhat.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository;
>>>>>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC,
>>>>>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its
>>>>>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo
>>>>>>> doesn't have some new effort.
>>>>>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think
>>>>>>> it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task
>>>>>>> before to make it public.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Giovanni
>>>>>>>
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