[jsr-314-open-mirror] [jsr-314-open] New anti-JSF blog entry: http://facemetal.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/jsf/

[Matthias Wessendorf]

Don't feed the trolls :-)

I stopped reading after the lifecycle section: JSF vs PHP.... Yeah... sure...

-Matthias

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Martin Marinschek
<mmarinschek at apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> well, well - he basically counters JSF´s abstraction from HTML, which
> doesn´t make sense with the history in mind (in 2003 things didn´t
> look so HTMLish in the web-world, a lot of possible options for future
> development were there this is (I believe) why JSF was built the way
> it was built).
>
> As of now, HTML seems to be set as the one and only future in the
> webspace. So, he is somewhat right with this.
>
> However, I don´t think the abstraction adds a lot of "paperwork" for
> anyone in the real world using JSF 2.0, he is not right about this
> point.
>
> I don´t understand his rant against the lifecycle - I do think we need
> this lifecycle, and if I would rebuild a web-framework from ground, I
> would include the same (or a similar) lifecycle again. It doesn´t make
> sense to do all this conversion and validation stuff in the
> application space.
>
> His rant against names is totally incomprehensible - what does he mean by that?
>
> The stuff which is still lacking from JSF, which he partially mentions:
>
> - back button support
> - double click handling
> - pretty URLs
>
> we should definitely address that at some point of time.
>
> And: something he mentions I also think is not really good is the
> "global" managed bean scope. It would be good to have a way to let
> managed beans live only in a reduced, page (or conversation) visible
> scope.
>
> But, generally: You cannot live without being loved and being hated by
> at least someone, I guess...
>
> best regards,
>
> Martin
>
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> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Ed Burns <edward.burns at oracle.com> wrote:
>> http://facemetal.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/jsf/
>>
>> I'm reading it now.
>>
>> To see more negative JSF articles, check out this delicious link.
>>
>> http://delicious.com/edburns/jsf-opinion-negative
>>
>> Ed
>>
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>>
>
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