[hibernate-dev] Stride

[Yoann Rodiere]

So, I guess this closes the "Stride" case: we won't use it.

I quite like Zulip, but I must admit it doesn't do much to make life easy
for new users. This choice of theirs to make topics mandatory (or at least
*seemingly* mandatory), in particular, is very likely to confuse new users,
be it Hibernate Users joining to look for help, or even people in our team.
So even though I like it, I think a lot of people won't, so they won't use
it much, which kind of defeats the purpose of a communication tool.

Slack would do the trick, I guess, and since most of our rooms are public
we don't care that they probably use the data for their own profit (with
such a trove of data, I would be surprised if they didn't).

There are alternative solutions, though. Of course there are the clones of
Slack such Rocket Chat and Mattermost. I just created a RocketChat
instance: https://hibernate.rocket.chat/channel/general

There is also gitter, which apparently some people in our team have been
starting to use: https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm . No JIRA
integration there, though.

I think in the end it will all come down to what people in our team are
most comfortable with. Whatever the technology and its future, what we need
most is everyone to be happy with it. We can deal with yet another switch
in the future, but in the meantime we need everyone to use whatever we
picked. And in this regard, it would help if people made their preferences
known... Anyone?

Yoann Rodière
Hibernate NoORM Team
yoann at hibernate.org



On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 at 08:43, Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org> wrote:

> +1 to test Zulip, thanks for setting it up Yoann.
>
> Personally having used it quite a bit with other projects: it has
> potential but it's not particularly polished yet; in particular the
> mobile client has severe issues, and people are quite often failing to
> use the "topics" correctly.
>
> In the news today, Atlassian is killing both HipChat and Stride;
> Started a partnership to move to Slack:
>  -
> https://www.atlassian.com/blog/announcements/new-atlassian-slack-partnership
>
> I've been forced to use Slack as well for yet another group. Sadly not
> OSS and infamous for needing tons of memory, but it's working very
> well and has some very thouroughly well designed features.
>
> So this raises more question..
>
>   - will Zulip catch up?
>
>   - Do we prefer a half baked solution just because it's open?
>
>   - Is the humoungous memory requirement of Slack a real problem?
>
> Tempted to just get back to IRC :/
>
> The Atlassian&Slack partnership however is likely just a small step
> towards more interesting integrations across the products.
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 at 21:56, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org> wrote:
> >
> > I encountered yet another problem with HipChat [1], so I created a
> > Hibernate organization in Zulip. Turns out GitHub and Google
> authentication
> > are available even in the free plan.
> >
> > Anyone cares to join me to test it? It's here:
> > https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/#
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://bitbucket.org/hipchat/hipchat-github-addon/issues/4/cant-add-organization-repo?_ga=2.132026959.1338067251.1532438591-706928748.1527601569
> >
> > Yoann Rodière
> > Hibernate NoORM Team
> > yoann at hibernate.org
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 22 May 2018 at 10:50, Guillaume Smet <guillaume.smet at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> ... But I think the one criteria that will make us pick Stride is free
> > >> hosting. Most other platforms either do not have a free plan, or do
> not
> > >> provide all of their features to free plan users. Zulip apparently
> removes
> > >> OAuth authentication in its free plan, for instance. The Infinispan
> team
> > >> has OAuth authentication enabled though... Do they pay for their Zulip
> > >> instance?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Quote: "Zulip Cloud Premium is free for open source projects and a wide
> > > variety of non-commercial entities"
> > >
> > > What bugged me first was the capped archives of the free offer.
> > >
> > > HipChat is doing a very similar thing.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Guillaume
> > >
> > >
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