[hibernate-dev] Stride

[Radim Vansa]

On 07/30/2018 06:20 PM, Yoann Rodiere wrote:
> If we must compare Zulip to emails, cross-posting to multiple mailing lists
> would be equivalent to posting to different "streams", which are the
> equivalent of "rooms" in HipChat or "channels" in IRC.
> Short answer is: you can't do that, you have to duplicate the conversation.
> But so would you in HipChat, or IRC, or Slack, or any chat software I've
> ever heard of.
>
> If you are talking about have a single conversation inside a single
> "stream"/"room"/"channel" with multiple topics (like "JPA 2.2, CDI
> integration, and also cache SPIs"), well... create a topic just for that
> ("JPA+CDI+Caches"). Or use the default topic (called "(no topic)").
>
> I don't think the primary reason for topics is archiving and finding older
> conversation. They help doing that, but their main purpose is to enable
> multiple concurrent conversation to run their course *in parallel, in a
> single "stream"/"room"/"channel"*. You can just focus on one topic and
> temporarily ignore all other topics. Which is nice, but not necessarily
> important in our case, since it's quite rare that we have multiple
> conversations going on simultaneously in a given room. Though one could
> argue that it's rare precisely because we don't have topics and
> understanding each other would be very difficult.

There are often some parallel discussions on mailing list(s). The thing 
is that since Infinispan moved to Zulip the -dev list has become more of 
an announce-list, 95% of discussion moved to Zulip - just because it's 
faster to discuss it that way. Also if the discussion is not on a 
mailing list but couple of selected people, it's easier if that's just a 
topic on private stream and you can notify more people about that, 
keeping the history. (You can't add people to a strictly private 
conversation and let them see the history, though).

Radim

>
> Yoann Rodière
> Hibernate NoORM Team
> yoann at hibernate.org
>
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 at 17:45, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:
>
>> I am not asking about a "supart".  Think about topics that we cross post to
>> hibernate-dev and willdfly-dev or hibernate-dev and infinispan-dev... so
>> the discussion *simultaneously* spans multiple topics/audiences.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:27 AM Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel at hibernate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Same as in an email thread, you change the topic for a subpart of your
>>> conversation. You can opt to fork the topic name at a
>>> given point in time retroactively (which you don't get for emails).
>>>
>>> On Mon 18-07-30  9:10, Steve Ebersole wrote:
>>>> In practice, what happens when a discussion spans multiple topics?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:43 AM Emmanuel Bernard <
>> emmanuel at hibernate.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri 18-07-27 14:38, Guillaume Smet wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 2:31 PM Emmanuel Bernard <
>>> emmanuel at hibernate.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like Zulip a lot. I've been using it extensively and the notion
>> of
>>>>>>> topic (like a email subjet) is a big +1 for me and for any more
>>> casual
>>>>>>> lurker. Also it reduces the proliferation of one off/single subject
>>>>>>> channel that a lurker always miss in tools like Slack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Granted Zulip topics are a bit offsetting for the first 5 posts.
>> And
>>> yes
>>>>>>> their mobile client is really bad. But the desktop client is really
>>>>>>> nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not really excited about topics. We might need a topic once a
>>> month,
>>>>>> maybe less, when we start a big discussion on a subject (and even so,
>>>>>> there's usually only one discussion in parallel).
>>>>> If you want to accept the Hibernate community in this and it catches
>> up,
>>>>> then you will have parallel discussions. Join the Infinispan one for
>> an
>>>>> example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also even if one conversation happens at a given time, it is a very
>> good
>>>>> organiser for someone that is catching up on subject after the actual
>>>>> conversation happened.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest of the time, we just share in the channel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they were optional, that would do but they are not and you always
>>> need
>>>>> 2
>>>>>> clicks to share (e.g. go to the right stream, then either choose a
>>> topic
>>>>> or
>>>>>> create new topic), whereas you're at most one click away on HipChat.
>>> For
>>>>>> our usage I find it a bit suboptimal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the HipChat mobile client from time to time, not sure how bad
>>>>> Zulip's
>>>>>> is. Can you at least follow the streams and post messages?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, it's more a -0 than a -1 for Zulip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never used Slack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Guillaume
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