[hibernate-dev] Stride

[Yoann Rodiere]

If we must compare Zulip to emails, cross-posting to multiple mailing lists
would be equivalent to posting to different "streams", which are the
equivalent of "rooms" in HipChat or "channels" in IRC.
Short answer is: you can't do that, you have to duplicate the conversation.
But so would you in HipChat, or IRC, or Slack, or any chat software I've
ever heard of.

If you are talking about have a single conversation inside a single
"stream"/"room"/"channel" with multiple topics (like "JPA 2.2, CDI
integration, and also cache SPIs"), well... create a topic just for that
("JPA+CDI+Caches"). Or use the default topic (called "(no topic)").

I don't think the primary reason for topics is archiving and finding older
conversation. They help doing that, but their main purpose is to enable
multiple concurrent conversation to run their course *in parallel, in a
single "stream"/"room"/"channel"*. You can just focus on one topic and
temporarily ignore all other topics. Which is nice, but not necessarily
important in our case, since it's quite rare that we have multiple
conversations going on simultaneously in a given room. Though one could
argue that it's rare precisely because we don't have topics and
understanding each other would be very difficult.

Yoann Rodière
Hibernate NoORM Team
yoann at hibernate.org



On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 at 17:45, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:

> I am not asking about a "supart".  Think about topics that we cross post to
> hibernate-dev and willdfly-dev or hibernate-dev and infinispan-dev... so
> the discussion *simultaneously* spans multiple topics/audiences.
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:27 AM Emmanuel Bernard <emmanuel at hibernate.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Same as in an email thread, you change the topic for a subpart of your
> > conversation. You can opt to fork the topic name at a
> > given point in time retroactively (which you don't get for emails).
> >
> > On Mon 18-07-30  9:10, Steve Ebersole wrote:
> > >In practice, what happens when a discussion spans multiple topics?
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 9:43 AM Emmanuel Bernard <
> emmanuel at hibernate.org>
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri 18-07-27 14:38, Guillaume Smet wrote:
> > >> >On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 2:31 PM Emmanuel Bernard <
> > emmanuel at hibernate.org>
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> I like Zulip a lot. I've been using it extensively and the notion
> of
> > >> >> topic (like a email subjet) is a big +1 for me and for any more
> > casual
> > >> >> lurker. Also it reduces the proliferation of one off/single subject
> > >> >> channel that a lurker always miss in tools like Slack.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Granted Zulip topics are a bit offsetting for the first 5 posts.
> And
> > yes
> > >> >> their mobile client is really bad. But the desktop client is really
> > >> >> nice.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm not really excited about topics. We might need a topic once a
> > month,
> > >> >maybe less, when we start a big discussion on a subject (and even so,
> > >> >there's usually only one discussion in parallel).
> > >>
> > >> If you want to accept the Hibernate community in this and it catches
> up,
> > >> then you will have parallel discussions. Join the Infinispan one for
> an
> > >> example.
> > >>
> > >> Also even if one conversation happens at a given time, it is a very
> good
> > >> organiser for someone that is catching up on subject after the actual
> > >> conversation happened.
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >The rest of the time, we just share in the channel.
> > >> >
> > >> >If they were optional, that would do but they are not and you always
> > need
> > >> 2
> > >> >clicks to share (e.g. go to the right stream, then either choose a
> > topic
> > >> or
> > >> >create new topic), whereas you're at most one click away on HipChat.
> > For
> > >> >our usage I find it a bit suboptimal.
> > >> >
> > >> >I use the HipChat mobile client from time to time, not sure how bad
> > >> Zulip's
> > >> >is. Can you at least follow the streams and post messages?
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyway, it's more a -0 than a -1 for Zulip.
> > >> >
> > >> >Never used Slack.
> > >> >
> > >> >--
> > >> >Guillaume
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> > >>
> >
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