[hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

[Yoann Rodiere]

I think all day-to-day users of our chat voted. Here are the results:

IRC:     4 Yes, 5 "if need be", 6 no.
Slack:   5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no
Zulip:   5 Yes, 3 "if need be", 7 no
Gitter: 10 Yes, 1 "if need be", 4 no

It seems Gitter won. That's the only option with more "Yes" than "No"...
It's got the most "Yes" (even counting "if need be"), and perhaps more
importantly it's got the least amount of "no".

To those who voted no: if you have specific concerns about Gitter, could
you please mention them here? Maybe we can find solutions to some of the
problems.

I'll look into moving the Hibernate Search chat to Gitter and will report
back on this thread.

Yoann Rodière
Hibernate NoORM Team
yoann at hibernate.org


On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 08:25, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org> wrote:

> Not everyone voted, far from it; we're missing votes from Gail, Guillaume,
> Fabio, Chris, Davide, Emmanuel, Koen. So no, no consensus yet.
>
> I sent an email to them off-list, perhaps they didn't see this thread.
>
> Provisional results are as follows:
>
> IRC: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no
> Slack: 2 Yes, 2 "if need be", 4 no
> Zulip: 2 Yes, 3 "if need be", 3 no
> Gitter: 6 Yes, 0 "if need be", 2 no
>
> So Gitter seems on the verge of winning, but apparently some people are
> categorically against it, so I'd say we'll have to give them a chance to
> explain why. I'll wait for everyone to answer, though, since they could
> completely change the results.
>
> Yoann Rodière
> Hibernate NoORM Team
> yoann at hibernate.org
>
>
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 at 13:35, Steve Ebersole <steve at hibernate.org> wrote:
>
>> Any consensus on this yet?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 AM Sanne Grinovero <sanne at hibernate.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for starting this!
>>>
>>> The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it
>>> to be killed: it has been historically important and we should
>>> maintain some level of reachability on it.  So voting for the "IRC"
>>> choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it,
>>> while alternatively we'' be using X on top of IRC, albeit with a
>>> preference to use X for team conversations.
>>>
>>> Also good to remind: please try to be on IRC as well occasionally as
>>> many in the OSS community we integrate with will reach out there.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sanne
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a
>>> chat
>>> > tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
>>> >
>>> > HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need to
>>> > choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so
>>> I'll try
>>> > to resurrect the conversation.
>>> >
>>> > As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled the
>>> > project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack.
>>> >
>>> > The discussed options so far were:
>>> >
>>> >    - *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ?
>>> >    Pros: simple as hell.
>>> >    Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history.
>>> >    - *Migrating to Slack* [6], as suggested by Atlassian [2]. Aye:
>>> >    Christian B; Nay: ?
>>> >    Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think).
>>> >    Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of resources.
>>> >    - *Migrating to Zulip* [3]. Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume
>>> (kind
>>> >    of).
>>> >    Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics"
>>> feature.
>>> >    Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't keep
>>> the
>>> >    chat history (1).
>>> >    - *Migrating to Gitter* [5] (we'll create different rooms,
>>> probably).
>>> >    Aye: ?, Nay: ?
>>> >    Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live
>>> >    support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms.
>>> >    Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1).
>>> >
>>> > I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread
>>> > "[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest
>>> another
>>> > option.
>>> >
>>> > Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;):
>>> > https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
>>> >
>>> > I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a
>>> > platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If
>>> there
>>> > are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will pick
>>> > what's easier to set up (taking into account the various integrations).
>>> > Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread...
>>> >
>>> > (1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from
>>> > HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet [4]
>>> >
>>> > [1]
>>> >
>>> https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/faq#faq-da2b66a1-53d3-4c4e-a405-467d961336f7
>>> > [2] https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration
>>> > [3] https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/
>>> > [4] https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647
>>> > [5] https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm
>>> > [6] https://slackdemo.com/
>>> >
>>> > Yoann Rodière
>>> > Hibernate NoORM Team
>>> > yoann at hibernate.org
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