[hibernate-dev] Chat migration - D minus 115 until the death of HipChat

[Sanne Grinovero]

Thanks for starting this!

The choice of IRC is a bit special on the list as we never intended it
to be killed: it has been historically important and we should
maintain some level of reachability on it.  So voting for the "IRC"
choice just means a preference to not use anything else on top of it,
while alternatively we'' be using X on top of IRC, albeit with a
preference to use X for team conversations.

Also good to remind: please try to be on IRC as well occasionally as
many in the OSS community we integrate with will reach out there.

Thanks,
Sanne

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Yoann Rodiere <yoann at hibernate.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> TL;DR: please vote here if you don't want to end up having to use a chat
> tool you don't like: https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
>
> HipChat Cloud will stop working on February 15th, 2019 [1]. We need to
> choose an alternative before we have our back against the wall, so I'll try
> to resurrect the conversation.
>
> As a reminder, Stride is no longer an option: Atlassian cancelled the
> project, and encourages users to migrate to Slack.
>
> The discussed options so far were:
>
>    - *Moving back to IRC*. Aye: ?; nay: ?
>    Pros: simple as hell.
>    Cons: basic as hell; we won't keep the chat history.
>    - *Migrating to Slack* [6], as suggested by Atlassian [2]. Aye:
>    Christian B; Nay: ?
>    Pros: we will keep the chat history (I think).
>    Cons: not open-source; desktop client consumes a lot of resources.
>    - *Migrating to Zulip* [3]. Aye: Emmanuel, Yoann. Nay: Guillaume (kind
>    of).
>    Pros: Advanced conversation management thanks to the "topics" feature.
>    Cons: Complex to use because of the "topics" feature; we won't keep the
>    chat history (1).
>    - *Migrating to Gitter* [5] (we'll create different rooms, probably).
>    Aye: ?, Nay: ?
>    Pros: Users seem to actually go there, so we could have our "live
>    support" rooms next to our "internal discussion" rooms.
>    Cons: not open-source; we won't keep the chat history (1).
>
> I created a poll based on the discussion we had on the thread
> "[hibernate-dev] Stride". I think everyone had the time to suggest another
> option.
>
> Please vote here and now, or remain silent forever ;):
> https://doodle.com/poll/h6scc9bsh6a4ymre
>
> I'd suggest the following rules: if there's a single clear winner (a
> platform that everyone would be happy with), we'll pick that one. If there
> are multiple clear winners, whoever does the migration work will pick
> what's easier to set up (taking into account the various integrations).
> Otherwise, back to discussing it on this thread...
>
> (1) There seems to be some work in progress on a migration tool from
> HipChat to Zulip, but it doesn't seem to be ready yet [4]
>
> [1]
> https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/faq#faq-da2b66a1-53d3-4c4e-a405-467d961336f7
> [2] https://www.atlassian.com/partnerships/slack/migration
> [3] https://hibernate.zulipchat.com/
> [4] https://github.com/zulip/zulip/issues/10647
> [5] https://gitter.im/hibernate/hibernate-orm
> [6] https://slackdemo.com/
>
> Yoann Rodière
> Hibernate NoORM Team
> yoann at hibernate.org
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