[jboss-as7-dev] Console 1.1.0 Update

Jason Greene jgreene at redhat.com
Fri Mar 30 08:47:42 EDT 2012 

I think the multiple download problem could be solved using some nice client side JS to pick your locale. Otherwise doing English only and localized sound reasonable.

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On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:12 AM, Darran Lofthouse <darran.lofthouse at jboss.com> wrote:

> For this kind of issue over the years I have seen the following kinds of 
> complaints about our distributions: -
> 
>  - Download too large.
>  - Server to slow to start.
>  - First access to X to slow.
>  - Too many downloads to choose from and too many downloads for us to 
> maintain.
> 
> I don't know if you ever get this complete set resolved ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> Darran Lofthouse.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/30/2012 10:57 AM, Nicklas Karlsson wrote:
>> Personally I would prefer a slim AS and only English. For better or
>> worse, English is the defacto language of the Internet, Computer Science
>> etc. The console is an expert tool and I would be surprised to find a
>> person that would both a) know what to do with the console and b) not
>> understand the English used.
>> 
>> Of course there might be political reasons for multi-language support
>> etc, just my 2c...
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Heiko Braun <hbraun at redhat.com
>> <mailto:hbraun at redhat.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>    guess that one is for the nerds list, right?
>> 
>> 
>>    On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Carlo de Wolf wrote:
>> 
>>> Or we could make the notion of a package manager a first class
>>    citizen
>>> in AS 7 and let it handle different downloadable setups.
>>> 
>>> For example the one Jaikiran wrote some time back:
>>> https://github.com/wolfc/jboss-package-manager
>>> (Given that rpms are not everywhere ;-) )
>>> 
>>> Carlo
>>> 
>>> On 03/30/2012 11:28 AM, Darran Lofthouse wrote:
>>>> Is there no alternative for us to do some form of just in time
>>>> processing for the languages as the resources are served?  We have
>>>> complete control of the HTTP server if we needed to insert something
>>>> additional there.
>>>> 
>>>> Alternatively I do see now why many companies offer different
>>    localized
>>>> downloads now - as an alternative could we provide alternative
>>    downloads
>>>> to add support for different languages to your AS installation.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Darran Lofthouse.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 03/30/2012 10:23 AM, Tomaz Cerar wrote:
>>>>> The thing is that GTW does permutation of user-agent / language
>>>>> That means if we support 6 languages and 7 user-agents we get 42
>>>>> permutations. Every permutation Is 1.2mb (IIRC) that gives you
>>    the big
>>>>> size...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe we can skip some old and obscure useragents?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> tomaz
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: jboss-as7-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org
>>    <mailto:jboss-as7-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org>
>>>>> [mailto:jboss-as7-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org
>>    <mailto:jboss-as7-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org>] On Behalf Of Heiko Braun
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:16 AM
>>>>> To: Benjamin Browning
>>>>> Cc: jboss-as7-dev at lists.jboss.org
>>    <mailto:jboss-as7-dev at lists.jboss.org> Development
>>>>> Subject: Re: [jboss-as7-dev] Console 1.1.0 Update
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> let me check what's going on. additional languages are one
>>    explanation,
>>>>> but there must be something else that doesn't belong here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ike
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 7:17 PM, Benjamin Browning wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I brought this up in #jboss-as7 a while back after being
>>    baffled at how
>>>>> much larger AS 7.1.1 was than 7.1.0. Apparently it's all GWT
>>    permutations
>>>>> or something silly.
>>>>>> If we translate the console into a few more languages all the GWT
>>>>>> permutations may soon surpass the size of everything else in the
>>>>>> entire distribution ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Paul Gier wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The 1.1.0 and 1.2.0 versions of the console are a lot larger
>>    than the
>>>>>>> previous 1.0.x versions.  Is this expected?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> jboss-as-console-1.0.2.Final-resources.jar ~ 10MB
>>>>>>> jboss-as-console-1.2.0.Final-resources.jar ~ 46MB
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 03/06/2012 03:22 AM, Heiko Braun wrote:
>>>>>>>> Notable changes in AS 7.1.1 at a glance:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> /Additional Subsystems:/
>>>>>>>> - infinispan
>>>>>>>> - jgroups
>>>>>>>> - modcluster
>>>>>>>> - mail
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> /Environment Properties:/
>>>>>>>> The ability to view any system property that has been passed
>>    to the
>>>>>>>> JVM when the server was started.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> /What's next?/
>>>>>>>> In the next iteration we'll focus on accessibility issues (508
>>>>>>>> compliance), remaining translations and missing runtime
>>    operations
>>>>> (i.e.
>>>>>>>> modcluster).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks to Stan, Pavel and David for their contributions.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards, Heiko
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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