[jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

Pete Muir pmuir at redhat.com
Tue Aug 5 08:55:08 EDT 2014 

On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work
> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?

These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need.

>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
> This would increase the history of project/product

What does this mean?

>> 
>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>> 
>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>> 
>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>> 
>>> WDYT?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      • This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      • This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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