[jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

Rafael Benevides benevides at redhat.com
Tue Aug 5 09:20:11 EDT 2014 

I liked that :)

So I'll start the jdf-site at openshift and provide the redirect on 
site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started only

Em 8/5/14, 10:17, Pete Muir escreveu:
> Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.
>
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>>>
>>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work
>>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need.
>>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
>> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
>>
>>>>>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>>> What does this mean?
>>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
>> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
>>
>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      • This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      • This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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