[jbossdeveloper] http://jboss.org/jdf/stack/plugin-jdf/ looks weird...

Pete Muir pmuir at redhat.com
Tue Aug 5 09:17:37 EDT 2014 

Could add a dismissible banner to the inbound page on jboss.org if they come off a JDF URL.

On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:17, Pete Muir <pmuir at redhat.com> wrote:

> 
> On 5 Aug 2014, at 14:03, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> We should fire a Jira for these.
>> 
>> Em 8/5/14, 9:55, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>> On 5 Aug 2014, at 13:53, Rafael Benevides <benevides at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Em 8/5/14, 8:20, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>> 1) Create the redirect from site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started to http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/#!formats=jbossdeveloper_quickstart&layout=list-view - note that the layout=list-view doesn’t work atm, but will start to work
>>>> Shouldn't we redirect the whole site-jdf ?
>>> These were the only ones that the docs seemed to reference. I don’t believe site-jdf shows up on google. So I don’t see a strong need.
>> Google has also results for http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/about/contributing/
> 
> the ranking is very low. Google will de-index it soon no it is a 404.
> 
>>> 
>>>>> 2) Don’t update the read me until you see what the list-view looks like. If we think then that the read me needs an update, do it then
>>>>> 3) If we want to create a page to explain the changes, this should be done at the SOURCE side (site-jdf) NOT the destination side.
>>>> This would increase the history of project/product
>>> What does this mean?
>> During the Loconia F2F meeting we talked a lot about the products having a history... It's this kind of history that I were talking about.
>> People should know from Red Hat that JDF become now JBoss Developer Materials. I know that it's implicit, but I would like to make it explicit.
> 
> Yes, but it also decreases usability (those pages that make you click somewhere to get the real info you want are very annoying).
> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 19:06, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Removing that section of the README will be somewhat ugly. The table ton
>>>>>> that page not only listed the quickstarts, but the technologies each
>>>>>> demonstrated, the level of experience required, and whether there was a
>>>>>> prerequisite quickstart. Instead we will have to tell them to read the
>>>>>> metadata tags at the beginning of each quickstart README file to get
>>>>>> that information, which is really ugly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rafael, is there any way we steal take the code you used to generate
>>>>>> that table for the JDF site and put it in a script to generate the HTML?
>>>>>> I could then check the HTML file into the
>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-developer-shared-resources/ web
>>>>>> site and we could redirect it there?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Or, I could edit the README.html file I generate for the product version
>>>>>> of the quickstarts and check it into the shared site.j
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 01:17 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 14:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 12:31 PM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:39, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:27 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:24, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:16 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:14, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't the quickstart table on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ the one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that included all the EAP, WFK, JDG, PicketLink,JBoss ON, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other product quickstarts? Wasnt that the reason we added the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Target Product' metadata  to the README files?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aren't other product teams also depending on that page with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure here. Anyway the redirect for every product to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-material/"jdf-arrival" should be valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/ will
>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/quickstarts/get-started/?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And that page will contain the same contents that were on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> original site?
>>>>>>>>>>>> If that's the case, great! How soon will it be there? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope! I said that http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com should redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>> an page (that needs to be created) at http://www.jboss.org that
>>>>>>>>>>> *explains* that JDF (with all Quickstarts, BOMs, Tutorials,etc)
>>>>>>>>>>> was moved to JBoss Developer materials and provide a button (or
>>>>>>>>>>> automatic redirect in x seconds) to
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Does everybody agrees with this approach ?
>>>>>>>>>> I agree we need a redirect. But if the resulting page does not
>>>>>>>>>> contain the table of quickstarts as described in the README files,
>>>>>>>>>> I will get bug reports from QA. :-(
>>>>>>>>> That's why we need an "explain" page. Not only a single redirect ;)
>>>>>>>> Okay. I guess the best approach for the community quicktarts is to
>>>>>>>> remove the entire paragraph. Do you agree?
>>>>>>> Oh yeah! Definitely! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 11:08 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the arrival page is achieved by the jdf-site at openshift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> redirect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But we can also but www.jboss.org/jdf to redirect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:06, Rafael Benevides escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should create an arrival page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/developer-materials/jdf (or any other jboss.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL) with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a brief text similar to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "JDF site was retired and all its content was moved to JBoss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Developer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Materials. You will be redirect automaticaly (or click on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow) to navigate on all quickstarts, BOMS, Archetypes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutorials,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..." - Rephrase needed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 12:01, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The only problem is that the page does not match what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text says.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The text in the README says:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The list of all currently available quickstarts can be found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://site-jdf.rhcloud.com/quickstarts/get-started/>. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lists each quickstart name, the technologies it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrates, gives a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brief description of the quickstart, and the level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to set it up. For more detailed information about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstart, click on the quickstart name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That page does not have a table with all the details.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 10:56 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So +1 to not drop the jdf-site and put the proper redirect to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jboss.org/developer-materials/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 10:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, do you have a comprehensive list of URLs that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referenced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on site-jdf.rhcloud.com?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can put redirects in place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 14:18, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found the pull and commit when this change was made; It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on October 2, 2013.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     • This was the pull:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/pull/642
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     • This was the commit:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/commit/6e8a48b3a36437fec34346160bd15a0ece07c338
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can remove the link from the community quickstarts, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the JBoss EAP 6.2 or 6.3 product quickstarts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:44 AM, Sande Gilda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry. I was not aware that it was a sandbox. There were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JIRAs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to that page, for example this one to add a download
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> button:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.jboss.org/browse/JDF-228
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what to do about this one. :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:33 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow! I checked 6.3.0.Beta and 6.2.0.Final and both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point to jdf-site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at openshift which was supposed to be the "sandbox" URL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.jboss.org/jdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:27, Pete Muir escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:25, Sande Gilda <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:22 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Aug 2014, at 13:21, Sande Gilda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sgilda at redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Originally we had the table on jboss.org. Then it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. We keep changing things out and breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shipping product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> links and I can't change anything in the shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. Is it possible to leave the site up, or at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least the page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the table of quickstarts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande, what link is broken?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README file in the shipping quickstarts:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.devel.redhat.com/devel/candidates/JBEAP/JBEAP-6.3.0.CR1/jboss-eap-6.3.0.CR1-quickstarts.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can see it online here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jboss-developer/jboss-eap-quickstarts/blob/6.3.x-develop/README.md#available-quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is the source file, not the actual thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said "breaking shipping product links” - what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the link that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaks? Can you give me some example docs that include
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broken links?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 08/01/2014 08:17 AM, Rafael Benevides wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have that table with all quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore. Just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search/result page.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 8/1/14, 9:15, Sande Gilda escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry. I missed this discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The root README for the quickstarts points to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this page for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list of all the available quickstart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickstarts are frozen for JBoss EAP 6.3 and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too late to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change it, so the broken link is going to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do we provide the table with all the quickstarts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sande
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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