[keycloak-dev] Proposed changes to menu

[Stian Thorgersen]

I hadn't considered the screencasts, and it does result in this having a much bigger impact than I'd considered. So it's definitively not something to do now, probably not in the future either.

Just to clarify, I was considering sites that have a main and a sub navigation menu. So for those sites you've listed:

* cloud.google.com - has a single navigation menu, so it can be on the left that's fine
* gmail - has a single navigation menu, the bit above lists/mails are tools for the particular view
* github - has two navigation menus, the main (explore, gist, blog) is at the top, while the sub is at the right (code, pr, etc..) / github is horrible though, I always have to search around to find things
* wordpress - can't comment as I don't use it

It goes to reason that a user scans a page from top to bottom, and in a LTR language from left to right. Hence the menus should be placed according to scan-order. Talking about screen estate this would save 90px in vertical height, which is around 10% on most displays, but I appreciate that horizontal scaling is acceptable.

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Burke" <bburke at redhat.com>
> To: keycloak-dev at lists.jboss.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 January, 2014 3:59:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [keycloak-dev] Proposed changes to menu
> 
> I think "most applications/websites have their main menu at the top" is
> a stianism.  cloud.google.com has their menu on the left.  gmail has
> their menu both on the left and top.  Github has their menus on right.
> Wordpress has their console menus on the left.
> .
> So I'd say that most applications/websites have completely different
> ways of organizing their menus and I find this change does nothing for
> me other than waste a week of work I did.
> 
> On 1/21/2014 10:47 AM, Bill Burke wrote:
> > #1, I've used and 	like the breadcrumbs.
> > #2, I don't think this is as significant as you claim.  This is
> > completely an aesthetic change.  It doesn't reduce any clicks.  At least
> > as compared to Wildfly/JBoss console, *most* of interesting menu items
> > are on the left side.
> > #3, We may run out of room on the top menu as we may be adding things
> > like "devices" and "servers".  Not everybody has 1900x1200 displays and
> > the admin UI already bearly fits in 1024x800 screencasts.
> > #4, This change wastes a week of work I did on screencasts for minimal
> > gain.  I'm going to be seriously pissed if I have to redo these before
> > Thursday...
> >
> > So, -1 and no vote for me at least for Alpha 1.
> >
> > On 1/21/2014 10:02 AM, Stian Thorgersen wrote:
> >> When writing documentation to using the admin console I realised the menus
> >> are confusing.
> >>
> >> Most applications/websites have their main-menu at the top, with a
> >> sub-menu on the left (or right).
> >>
> >> Also I don't think there's any benefit to the breadcrumbs as we never
> >> navigate deep enough for it to be useful.
> >>
> >> I propose that we move the items from the menu to the left into the same
> >> menu as the realm selector. Then we move the sub-menu items into the left
> >> menu. And also remove the breadcrumb. See attached screenshot for how
> >> this would look like.
> >>
> >> I think this is a significant improvement, and it would be worth to get
> >> this into the alpha1 IMO. I can have this tested and committed today if
> >> there's consent for it!
> >>
> >>
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