[keycloak-dev] rename client templates to scope?

Thu Sep 28 09:38:24 EDT 2017

Although unifying all of this is probably very elegant from a code perspective, I agree with Pedro. For me scopes and roles are two different concepts. Scopes being mainly for the external client/user view. Especially when you look into the direction of GDPR or UMA 2.0 client scopes, they could be a means to describe privacy-relevant information (e.g. what kind of data, the purpose of accessing it, associated descriptions). Latest at that point, still calling this role and managing it the same way as roles will probably be very confusing...

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Sebastian

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-----Original Message-----
From: keycloak-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org [mailto:keycloak-dev-bounces at lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Pedro Igor Silva
Sent: Donnerstag, 28. September 2017 14:53
To: Thorgersen, Stian <stian at redhat.com>
Cc: keycloak-dev <keycloak-dev at lists.jboss.org>
Subject: Re: [keycloak-dev] rename client templates to scope?

I think all these concepts under a single umbrella is confusing.

Regarding roles and scopes ....

IMO, roles and scopes are separated things. It would be nice if we had a specific area for Scope Mapping, where from there I could create scopes and manage their configuration (consent, param required, etc), associate scopes with roles (and not turn roles into scopes) and associate mappers with scopes.

And also push scopes into a separated claim within tokens.

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 4:35 AM, Stian Thorgersen <sthorger at redhat.com>
wrote:

> Interesting. So client templates could become a very flexible thing 
> that covers many uses. So one single concept could cover:
>
> * Templates as today
> * Scope
> * Namespaces
>
> I like the idea, but the devil is in the details. How would it end up 
> looking. Would it be easy to use.
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 19:38, Bill Burke <bburke at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe want to allow client scopes to define their own roles too.  
> > Then we have a role namespace as well.  Could even think about 
> > removing realm roles if we do this.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Stian Thorgersen 
> > <sthorger at redhat.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Interesting idea. That might just work and be a nice and easy way 
> > > to
> add
> > > proper support for OAuth/OIDC scope.
> > >
> > > On 25 September 2017 at 17:11, Bill Burke <bburke at redhat.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> This is something for 4.0
> > >>
> > >> Was thinking that we should rename Client Templates to Client Scopes.
> > >> For oauth, oidc, and token exchange client asks for a specific 
> > >> scope with the "scope" parameter.  This "scope" parameter would 
> > >> be the name of a client-id or a client scope (formerly client 
> > >> emplates.  Clients will be granted access to scopes in the admin 
> > >> console.  Probably through authz services.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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